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Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:41 am
by tkarhu
@CIMA Thanks a lot for your encouraging words 8-)

Two last winters, I have also learned tele on XC-BC fjellskis. The fjellskis are 200 cm Gammes, which have the stiffness of intermediate skill level track skis, yet also moderate downhill features like 14 mm sidecut and nordic rocker.

I just read through the exercises I collected back then (link below). It seems that what I did with a front ski, telehiro does with a rear ski. Doing that with the rear ski seems slightly challenging balancewise for a tele-b beginner like me, especially on stiff double camber skis.
https://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5649

On the Gammes, I learned a kind of an a-tele for XCd skis, based on old school skinny ski technique (á la Paul Parker). Telehiro’s modern b-tele XCD technique seems to have similarities with that type of an a-tele technique. Still it remains for me to be seen, how well telehiro’s tele-b works with double camber skis.

For this season, I am going to install a pair of 196 cm Åsnes Falketind Xplores NNN-BC. When learning tele-b, I am planning to use the FTX’s first.

By the way, it would be interesting to make a transcript of the turns telehiro uses in the following video where he skis old school, vintage XCd skis. Those 205 cm Rossignol Chamois AR’s are even skinnier than my Gammes and have less sidecut, and also lack nordic rocker I guess, like skis of that era do. Otherwise the Chamois AR’s and Gammes seem quite similar.
https://youtu.be/ihYUXD_ijwI?si=5l8mLP6EnRWlM6qG

So, in many ways the Chamois AR’s are for sure more challenging to ski downhill than Gammes. Yet the Rossignols may have softer cambers, though. At least what is possible for him with the vintage Rossignols, should be possible for me with Åsnes FTX’s.

By the way, on the video, isn’t telehiro skiing tele-b mainly until ~00:40? Even with the XCd skis. To get started with the transcript. :)

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:14 am
by Roman
Capercaillie wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:43 pm
If you did not know, Telehiro operates a mountain inn and ski school business in Hakuba Valley. I would like to go on vacation there and attend Telehiro's classes.
Does anyone know the contact details of the inn and the ski school please?

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:59 pm
by Capercaillie
Roman wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:14 am
Does anyone know the contact details of the inn and the ski school please?
https://www.otr.pxc.jp/~mahoroba/

mahoroba@otr.pxc.jp

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:32 am
by CIMA
tkarhu wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:41 am
I just read through the exercises I collected back then (link below). It seems that what I did with a front ski, telehiro does with a rear ski. Doing that with the rear ski seems slightly challenging balancewise for a tele-b beginner like me, especially on stiff double camber skis.
https://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=5649
It's common for cross-country skiers to inadvertently favor their front leg, and this tendency can be attributed to various factors. The kick-and-glide technique naturally shifts the weight forward. Additionally, the distribution of the head's weight can lead to a forward inclination, impacting posture and relying on the front leg to prevent falls. Having personally encountered these tendencies as a skier, I've actively worked to address and correct them during my skiing experiences.
tkarhu wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:41 am
For this season, I am going to install a pair of 196 cm Åsnes Falketind Xplores NNN-BC. When learning tele-b, I am planning to use the FTX’s first.
It seems like these skis are similar to my Madshus Epoch with Rottefella NNN BC bindings.
Starting on gentle, powdery slopes with your gear above should be a good way to begin.
tkarhu wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:41 am
By the way, it would be interesting to make a transcript of the turns telehiro uses in the following video where he skis old school, vintage XCd skis. Those 205 cm Rossignol Chamois AR’s are even skinnier than my Gammes and have less sidecut, and also lack nordic rocker I guess, like skis of that era do. Otherwise the Chamois AR’s and Gammes seem quite similar.
https://youtu.be/ihYUXD_ijwI?si=5l8mLP6EnRWlM6qG

By the way, on the video, isn’t telehiro skiing tele-b mainly until ~00:40? Even with the XCd skis. To get started with the transcript. :)
Your analysis appears to be correct.
Telehiro demonstrates changes in ski techniques based on terrain and snow conditions effectively.
(But I can't do like that. :D )

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:56 am
by tkarhu


This video on the telehiro page is also of interest. On the video, he skis AT bindings! He is doing b-turns on bindings that are not even free-heel.

The Silveretta Easy Go bindings allow you to use climbing boots, based on a crampon attachment standard on a quick Google search. The title of the video above says “quiet skiing due to low cuff boots / mountain boots”.

I guess you need either forward flexing boots of free-heel bindings in order to make a b-turn.

@CIMA btw I commented on your XCd related points in another thread (link below). viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5649&p=64180&sid=98 ... 7e0#p64180

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:25 am
by CIMA
tkarhu wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:56 am
The title of the video above says “quiet skiing due to low cuff boots / mountain boots”.

I guess you need either forward flexing boots of free-heel bindings in order to make a b-turn.
Your assumptions seem accurate.
The video's title may imply that this turn is only possible when wearing low-cut boots.
However, many telemark skiers overlook the benefits of improved ankle mobility that comes with this type of boots.

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:43 pm
by Sidney Dunkin
Hi all, first post here. I'm a long time xcd skier and telehiro fan. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one over here interested in his videos. Although I don't speak the language I still picked up a lot of tips from him. In the words of Yogi Berra "you can observe a lot by watching." I had never heard of A or B type skiing before reading it here. If I had to sum it up I would say A tele is where I started and B is where I ended up.

Thanks for letting me add my 2 cents, Sid.

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:56 am
by CIMA
Sidney Dunkin wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:43 pm
I had never heard of A or B type skiing before reading it here. If I had to sum it up I would say A tele is where I started and B is where I ended up.
Upon reading this, Telehiro would burst into tears...

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:47 am
by Sidney Dunkin
Tears of joy I hope, I'd hate to get him upset.

Re: Telehiro in his own words

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:51 am
by CIMA
He'd be overjoyed, of course!