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Raventele wrote:Cima I hear that there is to be a triple-bar NNN/BC binding : One under toes , 1 under arch and one under the ankle..Said to be the most stable NNN ever! Have you heard of this ?
Pay no mind to Mike..He's just being silly!
But seriously, if there were a 2-bar NNN (one just behind the ball of the foot and one directly under) it would hold a lot of XCD promise when paired with a supportive and stiff skate-type boot.
Did you test XCD with pilot skating SNS setup? I do it and it works pretty well. The skating boots are really supportive. The only problem is icing of the steel pivot bar.
Yea gw,
I skated on the pilots a few times and really liked the better lateral support..If I were going to use System for XCd, it would be on a pilot binding with some stiff skate boots.. maybe on some Outtabounds ..
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Raventele wrote:Yea gw,
I skated on the pilots a few times and really liked the better lateral support..If I were going to use System for XCd, it would be on a pilot binding with some stiff skate boots.. maybe on some Outtabounds ..
I still have not mounted my new E99 Easy Skin. Still undecided if I should go 75mm or SNS-pilot (I have both boots)
Perhaps the one serious consideration on the Pilots would be K and G ..The second bar would seem to restrict there..at least a bit ..but I know SB really liked the Pilots for XCD, so I would guess it's not a big issue.. cheers..
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MikeK wrote:
"Why can't you just stick with what works?" she said. "Why are you always changing your gear? What is the matter with you? What's wrong with pins?"
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus.
That happens.
The flowing river never stops and yet the water never stays the same.
Raventele wrote:
Perform the same test I did with my NNN XC setup with one of your "BC" setups..Take a couple pix and show us how laterally stable the NNN/BC really is. Why not ?
Your test method is just a nonsense from a pure engineering point of view.
There aren't any quantitative data in your test.
You want data ? How about this : the boot heel is 5.5 inches to the side of the ski at about a 40 degree angle..Ii's not nonsense ; it's simple common sense. And you are afraid to show us the same test results, because you know NNN/"BC" is at best marginally more laterally stable than NNN/XC.
Well I must report that my findings are quite a bit different with an actual BC binding.
There used to be a picture there of a NNN binding and a skate boot being tweaked laterally on a ski. This doesn't happen on the BC version.
First off, when you are in a telemark position the rear ball of the foot stays flat on the binding. The ridge of the NNN BC plate stays engaged in this area and keeps it from twisting.
With an Alaska and NNN BC binding, I can barely twist the heel of the boot a degree or two. It's really hard to do. The ridge actually works, the toe bar is fairly rigid and I believe the toe of the NNN sole on the Alaska is much stiffer than the 75mm version. Torsionally it feels more rigid as I believe the duckbill contributes to more torsional deflection on that boot.
CIMA - I didn't have any issue wiggling long radius turns back and forth like I've seen you guys do in some of your videos. I can't do those perfect form GS turns though... just not good enough no matter what gear. Also can't do those sweet turns that guy (telehiro?) was ripping through the bumps in one of your videos. It's not the gear, just the skier though.
It's really not any easier with pins... to me, it's about as difficult either way. On wider skis I still think I'd prefer the pin binding, but the narrow, light skis NNN BC feels great!
