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Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:52 pm
by Johnny
Saint Jocko wrote:I think some old Birkenstock sandals bolted to a Fischer E109 would make a good "Krautenski" setup.
HOLY SHIT!!! I FREAKING
**NEED** to do that!!!
Oh just you wait guys... You will definitely see me with this setup before the end of the season... Flying naked under the busiest chairlift, cigar in mouth...
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:34 pm
by bogon
hey Teleman, what's Your opinion on
Alpina Alaska 75 boots for fishscale skis?
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:34 pm
by Raventele
bogon wrote:Raventele wrote:do you have a pin-type binding mounted on a ski?
No, but, as the bomb said "my memory is good on matters like these".
push down on the boot so as to make
the whole sole touch the ski..
You mean push the heel down those 2''?
Watch how the duckbill behaves and when and where it "catches"
against the bail..
In that Cobra, it is in good contact from the beginning. Only You get throwed on Your face by rocker launch (pardonne mois english - non-native speaker).
eventually it locks down with strong leverage against the bail..great for parallels..
To me, it seems quite the contrary. While the boot wedges duckbill into toe, it does so only because heel throw applies forward pressure (preload). But that won't stop the boot itself from twisting laterally, right?
Besides, that heavy, ever-cracking NTN Freedom Aluminum frame holds the white flex plate from sides, and I do believe that this is far, far better for parallels. At least I can not feel the negative difference judging against, say, Dynafit or current Marker (god forbid) offerings.
Tip the boot up and see how the duckbill works with the binding in the case of a tele..
Then the boot starts to twist even more - only one point of contact at the heel, and I suspect that You'll get squirreling ski because of that.
Double-barreled bindings might not have this behavior, but I do not know for sure.
A perfectly flat (not rockered) duckbill would not be desirable in either case..
Why? I believe that at least one 75mm binding actually helps to break bellows (given the duckbill, against which it leverages).
NTN, OTOH, helps breaking bellows even better.
But they
had to address boot twisting by overbuilding the boot mold AFAIK.
BoGo,
It matters little what freeheel binding you use or whether you use a tele or parallel turn, YOU MUST bend the knees,
lowering the COG if you wish to minimize, being thrown forward at times on any "tele" binding..And a heel throw has less to do with locking the duckbill against the bail than you seem to think..Don't believe me, try the experiment with plain pins; they will lock duckbill against bail just fine when the heel is forced down ; cables have, in that case, obviously nothing to do with it..Whether and how much a boot twists laterally has more to do with the boot (some say sole stiffness , but I am certain that that over simplifies) than the binding.. It's not "rocker launch" that pitches one forward, in fact a more rockered duckbill could be an advantage in saving one from pitching forward..
I think it's safe to say that all duckbills lever to help break bellows..but a little more rocker in the duckbill could be an advantage ..
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:27 am
by Teleman
Saint I ski in Leather knickers.....We have hunted on skis.....didn't see anything....and if we did we woulda missed anyway! Out at Telecamp we have had Venison....Moose....Bear....It was all good!!!!! All washed down with, generally, labatts....Skiing some decent powder....TM
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:44 am
by Teleman
Bogon I have no knowledge about the Alaska's...Did see in an Andrews Catalogue a similar boot....But....made with hard rubber? TM
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:19 am
by Johnny
Alaskas are great with fishscales... I use them 90% of the time with waxless Guides and Epochs in the woods. And sometimes when I ski with my 4 year old ski buddy (read: skiing below 60mph), I bring them on the groomers with my Tua Nitrogens, with or with cables... Steeps, bumps, whatever, they can handle everything even if it's an old fashioned XC shoe...
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:32 pm
by Raventele
Bogo..
Sometimes we just have to really sit back..
Voile 3pin cable..Lighter alpine boards and stout
leathers..Heavy snow ..unusually early March thaw..
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:26 am
by offrank
its normal at minus 20 my bindbing (targa) get lose ?
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:54 am
by Johnny
its normal at minus 20 my bindbing (targa) get lose ?
Springs?
Re: THE GREATEST bindings debate on the planet (Official thr
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:11 pm
by TeleVT
NTN rocks...
4th year and still lovin it!
TeleVT!