Waxable Fischer "S-Bounds"

[lilcliffy]

Pretty sure this has been discussed recently...

I am wondering what the names and specs of the older waxable Fischer hybrid XCD skis were (e.g. Outtabounds; Rebound; etc.)

Outtabounds became the S-Bound 88?

Rebound became the S-Bound 78/Traverse 78?

What were the others?

[Woodserson]

Outtabounds have the same dimensions as the S88s
Boundless equal the S98s

The rebounds had their own dimension if I remember, maybe a skinnier waist and more sidecut.... 88-60-78 I think

[MikeK]

Boundless equal the S98s

But with a softer camber, no?

[Woodserson]

I was just thinking about dimensions.... But if the Outtabounds are any indication I would say no, but I've never seen a pair of Boundless in the flesh.

[MikeK]

I was just thinking about dimensions.... But if the Outtabounds are any indication I would say no, but I've never seen a pair of Boundless in the flesh.

I'm going by what Ben said last year when he bought a pair. I could probably dig up the post if I was diligent enough. I thought he said they were a soft, single camber. S98s are single camber, but most people don't consider them very soft.

Edit:

http://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.p ... =10#p12943

Perhaps I was remembering incorrectly or remembering what he thought they might be. Maybe they are more similar than not. Still odd that the BP and marks aren't the same. Also it seems that perhaps only the previous generation had this attribute, or I got 3 very special pairs of skis

[satsuma]

There was also an Outbound (70-60-65)--which I think was only in a waxless version. I don't think there was a waxable Rebound either--Woodserson is right about the dimensions. It was later copied by the Atomic Rainier.

[MikeK]

Outbound: 70/60/65

Snowbound: 77/61/69

Rebound: 88/60/78

Outtabounds: 88/68/78

Boundless: 98/69/88

It's not clear to me which came in wax and waxless, but from hearsay we know Boundless and Outtabounds were available in some generation.

Also, there are many different iterations/top sheets of these.

It looks like in terms of legacy:

-Snowbound became the S78/Traverse (78/61/69)
-Outtabounds became the S88/Excursion (88/68/78)
-Boundless became the S98 (98/69/88)

[lilcliffy]

So...

Outbound= no current equivalent

Snowbound= S-Bound 78/Traverse 78

Rebound= no current equivalent

Outtabounds: S-Bound 88/Excursion 88

Boundless: S-Bound 98

I was under the impression- perhaps false- that they were all available in both waxless and waxable bases.

My old friend probably has all of these skis- and I know that some of them in his collection were waxable...

I shall have to ask him about it.

[MikeK]

I was under the impression- perhaps false- that they were all available in both waxless and waxable bases.

This makes the most sense to me as we know the largest of the breed were available wax base.

I also recall Teleman, in his time here, would rave about the Rebounds, which I believe he or someone in his club was using with a wax base. Also, I think the claim was they were double cambered with that generous sidecut. A true "in-between" ski.

[lilcliffy]

The profile and flex pattern of the current E-109 seems the closest to the Rebound...

Cannot speak to the Rebound- but the combination of stiff "double camber" and aggressive sidecut is a bit of a strange combination...One would certainly need a non-XC length to be able to compress the camber in a downhill turn- which one would think would render the "double camber" somewhat ineffective as a XC ski. The reverse is also true- if a double-cambered ski is long enough to offer a true wax pocket- then it is physically too long to be able to compress/reverse flex with half your body weight- making it crazy, uncontrollable in a downhill turn...(This is precisely my preference for a long, moderately-stiff, single-cambered ski).

I have only tested the current E-109. Now that I own it, I am constantly flexing it and comparing it to the Eon and Combat Nato/Ingstad.

The E-109 is much stiffer, and more resistant than the Eon- but is it truly double-cambered? Was the Rebound truly double-cambered?