NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

This is the World Famous TelemarkTalk / TelemarkTips Forum, by far the most dynamic telemark and backcountry skiing discussion board on the world wide web. We have fun here, come on in and be a part of it.
User avatar
lilcliffy
Posts: 4112
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:20 pm
Location: Stanley, New Brunswick, Canada
Ski style: backcountry Nordic ski touring
Favorite Skis: Asnes Ingstad, Combat Nato, Amundsen, Rabb 68; Altai Kom
Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska BC; Lundhags Expedition; Alfa Skaget XP; Scarpa T4
Occupation: Forestry Professional
Instructor at Maritime College of Forest Technology
Husband, father, farmer and logger

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by lilcliffy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:47 am

Well- I have had about enough boredom at my local-lift serve.

I am thinking my next step is NNN-BC with the stiff red flexor...
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.

User avatar
Johnny
Site Admin
Posts: 2256
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:11 pm
Location: Quebec / Vermont
Ski style: Dancing with God with leathers / Racing against the machine with plastics
Favorite Skis: Redsters, Radicals, XCD Comps, Objectives and S98s
Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska XP, Alfa Guards, Scarpa TX Comp
Occupation: Full-time ski bum

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by Johnny » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:00 am

I might be wrong, but I think the red ones are NNN mediums only...?
I have only seen black and white BC flexors... White being incredibly, ridiculously fucking stiff... :D
/...\ Peace, Love, Telemark and Tofu /...\
"And if you like to risk your neck, we'll boom down Sutton in old Quebec..."



User avatar
Lo-Fi
Posts: 175
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:34 pm

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by Lo-Fi » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:35 pm

I used to have green NNN-BC toe bumpers. They were medium stiffness, significantly stiffer than the black.

They were the maximum usable stiffness for the type of touring I was doing.

They definitely limited kick & glide range-of-motion, but did provide the feeling of a little more rear ski turning pressure and control.

I find the white bumpers are pretty impossible, even after trying to drill out some material from them to make them softer.



User avatar
Verskis
Posts: 179
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:14 am
Location: Tampere, Finland
Ski style: XCD touring on small hills. Heavy tele at resort
Favorite Skis: Åsnes Rabb 68
Favorite boots: Alico Ski March
Occupation: Hydraulics engineer

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by Verskis » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:46 pm

Johnny wrote:
lilcliffy wrote:Twould appear that Rottefella's intent for the stiffer more active red flexor is for Nordic skating...
Yeah, the red NNN ones are obviously for skating... But for NNN-BC...? Why would anyone want a stiff flexor except for downhill purposes? Nobody is using NNNBC for downhill... Nobody is making turns on NNNBC...! 8-)
It is quite popular to mount NNN-BC bindings to Nordic skates (and I mean ice skates, like Lilcliffy wrote, not skating skis) instead of those regular NNN bindings. I guess it's good to have stiff bindings for that.
Image



User avatar
fisheater
Posts: 2510
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:06 pm
Location: Oakland County, MI
Ski style: All my own, and age doesn't help
Favorite Skis: Gamme 54, Falketind 62, I hope to add a third soon
Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska, Alico Ski March
Occupation: Construction Manager

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by fisheater » Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:56 pm

lilcliffy wrote:Well- I have had about enough boredom at my local-lift serve.

I am thinking my next step is NNN-BC with the stiff red flexor...
That is why I ski the USGI's and leathers at the ski hill. I'm on 3-pins, but it is the same basic idea. I know why NNN is popular, but for me NN works and I do not want to buy another pair of boots and change out skis.



User avatar
Johnny
Site Admin
Posts: 2256
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:11 pm
Location: Quebec / Vermont
Ski style: Dancing with God with leathers / Racing against the machine with plastics
Favorite Skis: Redsters, Radicals, XCD Comps, Objectives and S98s
Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska XP, Alfa Guards, Scarpa TX Comp
Occupation: Full-time ski bum

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by Johnny » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:25 am

Lo-Fi wrote:I find the white bumpers are pretty impossible, even after trying to drill out some material from them to make them softer.
Ahahaha! That is saying a lot about them... 8-)
They are also very hard to install... I almost destroyed the first pair I tried to replace...
Verskis wrote:It is quite popular to mount NNN-BC bindings to Nordic skates (and I mean ice skates, like Lilcliffy wrote, not skating skis) instead of those regular NNN bindings. I guess it's good to have stiff bindings for that.
Oh, you must be right...! That must be it... In fact, I bought the white flexors at the same time (and same store) I bought my ice skates... That makes a lot of sense... I ended up mounting my skates with pins, but they sure will get an NNNBC upgrade soon... 8-)
/...\ Peace, Love, Telemark and Tofu /...\
"And if you like to risk your neck, we'll boom down Sutton in old Quebec..."



User avatar
bgregoire
Posts: 1511
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:31 am
Ski style: Nordic backcountry touring with lots of turns
Favorite Skis: Fisher E99 & Boundless (98), Åsnes Ingstad, K2 Wayback 88
Favorite boots: Crispi Sydpolen, Alico Teletour & Alfa Polar

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by bgregoire » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:36 pm

Verskis wrote:It is quite popular to mount NNN-BC bindings to Nordic skates (and I mean ice skates, like Lilcliffy wrote, not skating skis) instead of those regular NNN bindings. I guess it's good to have stiff bindings for that.
Johnnyboy wrote:Oh, you must be right...! That must be it... In fact, I bought the white flexors at the same time (and same store) I bought my ice skates... That makes a lot of sense... I ended up mounting my skates with pins, but they sure will get an NNNBC upgrade soon... 8-)
The times I was "nordic backountry" ice-skating in sweden, it was as a group, and peeps had a few combinations of bindings and boots: oldskool 3-pin style with locked heel (the worst), NNN-BC and snow skate bindings. I think young athetic types liked the salomon pilots and good skating boots best, although NNN-BC allows for a much warmer boot as they tend to go out for all-day adventures. I remeber now that they mostly did have the red flexors.

Hey, I have a pair of the white flexors if someone wants them...

Johnny, where did you get your skates, in QC? Take care
I live for the Telemark arc....The feeeeeeel.....I ski miles to get to a place where there is guaranteed snow to do the deal....TM



User avatar
Johnny
Site Admin
Posts: 2256
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:11 pm
Location: Quebec / Vermont
Ski style: Dancing with God with leathers / Racing against the machine with plastics
Favorite Skis: Redsters, Radicals, XCD Comps, Objectives and S98s
Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska XP, Alfa Guards, Scarpa TX Comp
Occupation: Full-time ski bum

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by Johnny » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:09 am

Nah, I didn't get mine in QC... Somewhere in VT or NH I don't remember... The simple wooden ones like I bought were very cheap, something like 40$...

A white NNN-BC flexor?
I would definitely take it if nobody else needs it... I need to update my skates to NNN-BC... ;)

Image
/...\ Peace, Love, Telemark and Tofu /...\
"And if you like to risk your neck, we'll boom down Sutton in old Quebec..."



User avatar
Bri7
Posts: 297
Joined: Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:23 pm

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by Bri7 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:16 pm

Johnny wrote: A white NNN-BC flexor?
I would definitely take it if nobody else needs it... I need to update my skates to NNN-BC... ;)
I want to give them a try too !!! I might need them to survive the geriatric slopes of mont Alta this winter :)



User avatar
bgregoire
Posts: 1511
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:31 am
Ski style: Nordic backcountry touring with lots of turns
Favorite Skis: Fisher E99 & Boundless (98), Åsnes Ingstad, K2 Wayback 88
Favorite boots: Crispi Sydpolen, Alico Teletour & Alfa Polar

Re: NNN-BC toe bumper stiffness

Post by bgregoire » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:45 pm

Fun! Any yellow and pink rottefella traps to offer up for trade? Those would fit fine on my next pair of skis!
;)
I live for the Telemark arc....The feeeeeeel.....I ski miles to get to a place where there is guaranteed snow to do the deal....TM



Post Reply