Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby lilcliffy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:33 pm

Oh- yeah I was aware of both models- was wondering whether you are considering getting the waxable based Objective?
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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby Woodserson » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:58 pm

Yes. I wish it had skinlock, this would be a no brainer.

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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby Harris » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:10 pm

Since you are skiing with an alpiner, keep it simple; you aren't building a nuke here: use the all mountain ski you ski downhill best on, forget the fish scale base skis and throw the skins on when your buddy does. I mean you and your bud are basically getting from one downhill experience to the other together. For a sleeper advantage keep some smear-on Dominator Butter high fluro wax in your pack, with a cork. That will help you hang with him when it counts, avoiding as best you can the snow gremlins that reach from under, grab, and cause us telemarkers to face plant in wetter snow.

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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby fisheater » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:34 pm

Woods, I agree completely in regards to preferring to have skinlock. The other thing that I greatly prefer in the Tind is the much larger turning radius of 22 meters vs 19.5 meters for the Objective. While in a lift served ski I wouldn't think twice, in a touring ski I am leary of wandering ski syndrome on the flats. It is one thing I do not appreciate about the S-112.
I also would prefer a 187 Tind to a 178 Objective.
Good luck Woods, figuring what ski to bring on a ski vacation to the French Alps is a good problem to have!

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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby lilcliffy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:33 am

Harris wrote:Since you are skiing with an alpiner, keep it simple; you aren't building a nuke here: use the all mountain ski you ski downhill best on, forget the fish scale base skis and throw the skins on when your buddy does. I mean you and your bud are basically getting from one downhill experience to the other together. For a sleeper advantage keep some smear-on Dominator Butter high fluro wax in your pack, with a cork. That will help you hang with him when it counts, avoiding as best you can the snow gremlins that reach from under, grab, and cause us telemarkers to face plant in wetter snow.

Very best.
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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby lilcliffy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:44 am

fisheater wrote:Woods, I agree completely in regards to preferring to have skinlock. The other thing that I greatly prefer in the Tind is the much larger turning radius of 22 meters vs 19.5 meters for the Objective. While in a lift served ski I wouldn't think twice, in a touring ski I am leary of wandering ski syndrome on the flats. It is one thing I do not appreciate about the S-112.
I also would prefer a 187 Tind to a 178 Objective.
Good luck Woods, figuring what ski to bring on a ski vacation to the French Alps is a good problem to have!

Here you regarding the wandering squirrely syndrome- hate it in fact.
What about camber profile though?
That Tind looks quite banna-ish on the Asnes website:
https://www.en.asnes.com/produkt/asnes- ... komstfell/
Not a fully-rockered banana- but definitely appears to have less camber than the Objective, and definitely has an open tail compared to the Objective:
https://www.en.asnes.com/produkt/asnes- ... komstfell/

The Tind's profile looks more narrowly tuned towards deep soft snow- the Objective's profile looks more versatile- my prediction would be better edge hold on the Objective.

And as far as the wandering XC ski- skis with extreme sidecut certainly want to turn, even when XC skiing- but my experience is that skis that do not have camber (e.g. Tind) will not track at all on a firm base- they feel dead and smeary.
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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby Woodserson » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:40 pm

It looks like I'm going to pull this goddamm trip off. I can't believe it myself. I THINK, I'm not positive, but I THINK this is going to be my get-up:

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178cm, BC, with Frankenstein Hardwires (X2 cartridges)

I pulled the wallet out for these puppies. WOOOOEEEEEE the pain!

Partner is going to be on smooth Vectors or a Salomon Q105-- I will be slower on the flats...

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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby woodchuck » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:07 pm

Happy trails!

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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby lowangle al » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:04 pm

That looks like a good choice Woods. They should be good for everything but breakable crust. I guess you have skins for them.

Have fun you lucky bastard!

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Re: Spring skiing voyaging... which ski to bring?

Postby Woodserson » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:38 pm

lowangle al wrote:That looks like a good choice Woods. They should be good for everything but breakable crust. I guess you have skins for them.

Have fun you lucky bastard!


I do have skins for them, an old pair of 70mm Glidelites I found in the basement. I bought a pair of skis off ebay a few years ago for $100 and he threw in skins, boots (my bro uses these boots now!), poles, a ski bag, I guess he gave it all up. Does anyone remember if the old Glidelites were nylon/mohair? They glide terrible.

But here's the real question!

Do I NEED skins for these? I have the scales AND I have a pair of ski crampons. Would I need skins? The scales are awesome they climb up anything here at the local humptydump hill as many here can attest to with the Vector BC. If it got too steep beyond this I could put in the crampons... Most climbing is done along old farming roads/hiking trails, and traverses. Are skins even necessary at this point or just extra weight? I'm in debate mode on this. Input welcome.


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