- XCD Enthusiast
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- Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:21 am
- Location: Washington State, USA
- Ski style: XCD, Telemark, Backcountry
- Favorite Skis: K2 Work Stinx w/ Bishop Bombers, Madshus Annum w/ Voile 3 Pin
- Favorite boots: BD Custom, Alico Ski March
- Occupation: Engineer
- XCD KNIGHT
- Posts: 1800
- Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:11 pm
- Location: Quebec / Vermont
- Ski style: Dancing with God
- Favorite Skis: Redsters, Radicals, Objectives and all Asnes skis.
- Favorite boots: ALFA Guard Advance, Scarpa TX Comp
- Occupation: Full-time ski bum
One thing to keep in mind here is that only the Outlaw is a real NTN binding with a second heel. The BMF, while being very cool, is only NTN "Compatible". You can picture the BMF basically as a Bomber binding that can also accommodate NTN boots... No second heels on the Bad Mother Fuckers... Just a regular cable binding that fits NTN boots... A very nice one I should say... But I didn't try them, they might be awesome...
"And if you like to risk your neck, we'll boom down Sutton in old Quebec..."
I couldn't get the ski brakes to work with it. They're available but a pain and I couldn't find anybody who was using them and made them work.
Brakes are dumb but necessary for real step-in for me, so I got Rottefella Freedoms. True step-in because I close the front latch with my boot on the first ski and with my ski on the second. Never have to bend over, and the latch-closing moves are easy and worked perfectly on first try. The Outlaw would have complete step-in if the brakes worked. If you don't need brakes or leashes, the Outlaw has complete step-in now.
The Outlaw was too active for me. I like a neutral feel and the Freeride was too active for me too. That could be just a matter of getting used to it and adapting. I tried the Freedom because it was reported to be less active than the Freeride, and on my first day on them, the Freedom felt too active too. I posted here about it, got good advice, and adapted quickly--the Freedom feels great now. I ski the Blue spring box on 1, the lightest setting, (TXPro) so I think they'd have lots of activity range for someone who likes a more active feel.
Really happy on NTN Freedoms so far but still new to NTN.
This season, I bought the outlaw X and skipped the brakes due to poor reviews on them. As such, I've been using leashes. Everyone seems to hate leashes, but I actually like them. I attribute that to being a new tele skier and it making me feel (albeit silly) excitement to do something only tele skiers are doing. I generally clip my leash first, then stand up, and can step straight in no problem (on flat ground). The 22d leashes have a very nice clasp and are extremely easy to work even with gloves on.
I have zero experience with the BMF, but am very happy with my outlaws. That said, the freedoms ski really well too, but I know this thread is not about the freedoms.
If you use Outlaw X on setting 1 and think it has too much resistance, remove the inner spring. I believe Bishop is coming out with softer springs this year, so something similar will be an option with those as well.
I have used Freerides, Freedoms, and Outlaw X. IMO, Outlaw X skis better -- smoother and less rigid. It definitely tours better. Opinions obviously vary.
Another thing I like about the Bishop is I feel like I can go lower in cases where I need to or am in recovery mode. The Outlaw is still better than the old Roteffella bindings that just stop at a certain point, but the Bishop is even less restrictive in that regard although plenty active. Activity is very similar between the two.
My Outlaws are the first gen and are difficult to get out of sometimes, especially with the brakes installed. So I removed the brakes. I understand this has been much improved with the newer Outlaw-X but I’ve never tried those. Both are excellent companies with great engineering, just a slightly different approach to the connection. Another nice thing about the Bishop is you can specify a duckbill toe so If you have that boot, you can still get the benefit of a rock-solid step-in binding upgrade.