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Zamdrang wrote: I live in a mountainous area of N Ca
What are the snow conditions like?
This will be hard for me to explain being new to this but temps tend to hover around freezing and not much colder. The coldest day I've skied this winter was 21F. I've experienced everything from fresh cold powder to a light rain making a slushy top layer. Definitely on the wetter side. If we get a fresh dump and you want to enjoy cold powder you need to hit it first thing as it won't last and quickly turns wetter and compacts quickly. Even after a night of freeze it'll usually be softening by mid morning. Typical PNW snow from what I'm told. Now it's limited to higher elevation (7kish) spring conditions...my skier co workers say it will shortly be corn snow up high. If you're curious this is my stomping ground: https://www.nps.gov/lavo/index.htm
I'm ready to buy my own ski and initially planned on the Excursion 88 being that I've enjoyed the Outtabounds. My biggest complaint is how much slip I get with the Outtabounds. They are quite cambered and do glide nice, but even on moderate hills I find myself cussing them on climbs.
lilcliffy wrote:The current 88 is stiff and has significant camber as well. Though the current "Off-Track Crown" is a much more aggressive scale pattern, and it also has the "Easy-Skin" kicker skin attachment.
However- part of the reason I asked about the snow is whether the snow is conducive to scale performance...
I have experienced cold powder where they were not good but also softer older snow where I had better grip. I have definitely pushed angles where it was skin territory and had to zig zag to get up, but regardless in general I slip more than those around me, and have had other skiers comment about it. I noticed the pattern on the 98 looked much more aggressive as well. The climbs I'm doing are shorter so far, so I can see skins being a real pain..but until I try them that is speculation
I have tried a 205 10th Mtn on the same slopes and had more grip.
lilcliffy wrote:Which "10th Mtn"? The most recent "XCD 10th Mtn"? Or- the "Tour 10th Mtn"?
The Outtabounds is only 179cm? That is massive difference in length...
Yes the Outtas are 179. The 10th mtn were the Tour. I agree very different overall.. but the only other ski I've tried on the same slopes.
So before I buy I'm wondering if the Excursion 88 the exact same ski as the Outtabounds or if the flex and camber has changed at all? If so is it different enough to improve this trait for me? I know the scale pattern is different on the 2018 98 as I've compared them side by side. Assume it's the same on the 88? If so Is that enough to make a profound difference?
lilcliffy wrote:I can tell you that the base is the same on the current 88/98.
Cannot tell you for sure if the current 88 flex pattern is the same as the old Outtabounds- it has been a decade since I had one underfoot!
Woodseron has both the 88 and the Outtabounds- he should be able to confirm this for you.
Cool was hoping to hear from someone who has both as well. I flexed them in a store this winter but it was before I was aware of these details, they seemed a tad softer but I don't trust my memory anymore!
I am 5,11" about 155 lbs, I wonder if I'm just too light for the ski..for Fischer in general? I'm told Fischers are known for being stiff.
lilcliffy wrote:I weigh 185lbs and have a 199cm 88- I love it. I need grip wax or the kicker skin to climb anything beyond about 15% slope.
I have pushed them beyond that for sure..but as I mentioned one day I ended up on a moderate climb with two skiers on 98s...I didn't know them.. when we got to the top they commented I seemed to be slipping a lot more than they were. This has happened more than once and after many outings seems to be a theme...hence my debate.
Cool! Glad to hear you like them so much. I've found some on sale and may just pull the trigger and see for myself. The fat ski promoters are many. But based on what I've experienced I'm not convinced...maybe someday but as a first ski seem a bit to specialized for my needs. It's funny the older skiers see me on the Outtabounds and make "those are downhill skis" comments... the younger crowd thinks they are narrow touring skis. What would you say is the 88s ideal niche?
I don't have enough technique to critique how they turn..but Ive been out enough times now that I have experienced lots of different conditions and familiar with how they behave and glide. Other than the slip I'm having fun and trying not to over analyze. I've had some recommendations for the 98 as well.
lilcliffy wrote:I don't own a 98 but it is stiff and cambered as well.
Thanks for the response, not confusing at all. I've read many of your posts and find them very helpful! Sorry for the quote format...still figuring out how to multi quote.
satsuma wrote:I currently do similiar skiing on Alpina Discovery (vintage 2012) skis in the NE Oregon Blue Mountains, but Have tried the Excursion 88's (available for rent here). I like the Excursion 88's and would buy them if I needed skis and/or the Excursions were available at a sale price. They are just as fast as the narrower Alpina skis, and climb reasonably well without the Easy-Skins, but I think you would like the Easy-skins. The pattern is different than the older Fischer skis, which used the "Mountain Crown" pattern more aimed at turning.
Unless you are breaking trail on soft snow (depends on where in Northern CA you are skiing), you might benefit from a narrower ski--one with 68-79 tip width. We have very soft snow here except late in the season, and that was why I was trying the Excursions. They didn't make enough difference to justify purchasing.
Thanks for the response...sounds like we have very similar snow conditions. A good sale price is another reason I have been considering them. I have used the Outtabounds to break trail in knee deep powder and loved every minute..I don't doubt there are better tools for the job but I had a blast. I think I may get them and hope the pattern is the improvement I'm hoping for.