Looking for some advice as a new XCD skier

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Re: Looking for some advice as a new XCD skier

Post by greatgt » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:42 am

Tried nnn when they first came out.....Mostly I have done things on feeeeel, nothing else....Pins feel better in all conditions for me and I ain't no hippy or yuppie :D ....Don't think it makes much difference whatever speeds your skis.....If you learn at an Alpine area it will be difficult to transpose that to Nordic Telemark.....If you can just get out...ski....and if somebody with knowledge skis with you just watch and continue the learning process....TM

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Re: Looking for some advice as a new XCD skier

Post by zgadow20 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:52 am

First of all, thanks for the answers and info. I have been off on vacation for a few days so I haven't been at my computer.

Greatgt –
you are persuading me with your level of stoke! I think I will end up going with your cryptic advice haha.

Woodserson -
Happy birthday in a few months, thanks for the warm welcome. I figured the site might me slow in mid summer, and I appreciate the feedback. I weigh about 190-200 pounds (depending on seasonal beer consumption , and I’m also in the process of losing some extra lb’s and hope to be around 185 for ski season) and the skis are 188cm which I assume (although I have some alpine skis that are shorter that I love) is too short for my weight, but the price was enough for me to disregard the short length. I believe that 188 is the longest available version of this ski model in the year it was made, but could be wrong. I like the dancing analogy. As I get older I have been transitioning away from aggressive bombing-the-hill type alpine skiing to more slow carving, and I think telemark turns are the ultimate next step. I think I will end up starting out with leather boots as you did. The way you describe it as rewiring your brain has got me stoked. I remember the feeling when I tried snowboarding ( I pretty much sucked, and don’t do it anymore,) as it all of the sudden “clicking” in my brain, and it was very interesting how you just figure it out in a matter of minutes. I think I’ll end up going with your advice and starting with leather boots. Thanks again.

Lilcliffy -

I’m gonna take that advivce to heart and ski my ass off this winter with Nordic gear : ) . I think you did a killer job of answering the questions I was getting at, and I appreciate the response. Correct me if I’m wrong but you are saying that a plastic boot will provide me an easier learning experience for downhill Nordic/telemark skiing, but a softer boot will provide more long-term, long- distance enjoyment on the type of terrain I will be frequenting (despite a steeper learning curve). I’m interested to hear more about your preference to not use telemark turns when using XCD gear. Honestly, as long as I can be competent in descending tough terrain/snow conditions on my XCD gear I’m not attached to the idea of telemark turns. Im just curious how you manage to get down the really steep gnarly stuff in Nordic gear if you don’t use a telemark turn? For me , it doesn’t need to look pretty as long as I’m having fun on the down hills. To asnswer your question from above, (as stated before) I weight around 195 and I stand around 5’11, and the skiis are 188cm. As for the skis, they seem to have a pretty good amount of camber, but I don’t know how to measure that to give you dimensions. They appear to be cambered more like the classic XC skis. Thanks for the info on mounting point. I haven’t contacted alpina, but the info you provided on grip/glide relating to mounting point has been very helpful for me in considering my choice.

“if that ski has a lot of camber and stiffness/resistance underfoot, it will be hard to pressure and bend into a turn no matter where you mount it.”

I’m thinking these skis are on the stiffer side and have a good amount of camber. Sounds like they may not be a good choice for making turns. You have got me thinking more strongly about choosing NNN-BC bindings for these skis, and planning to get a different more downhill oriented set up for learning telemark turns.


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Re: Looking for some advice as a new XCD skier

Post by fisheater » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:18 pm

Zgadow,
I bought a Discovery 80 for my son several years ago. It isn't a bad ski, it is soft, and forgiving. However my educated guess is that half your weight will compress the underfoot flat in a 189. If I remember correctly that ski was available in a ski around 200 cm, which would be the correct weight for guys in our weight class. Even if you quit drinking beer. I remember because I considered buying one, and I handled the ski.
You may want to look more, or you may be very happy starting out on this ski. The scales will probably drag when you kick and glide. However when making turns on gentle terrain the ski will bend easily. It is short, so it will be easy to step into turns. As you find your way, you probably will upgrade. Good luck!
BTW you could buy a USGI surplus Ski from Coleman's in NY for about the same money delivered. However, since you do get wet snow, I wouldn't recommend that ski. I do believe you would be happier on a 200cm Eon.
Maybe someone can steer him to a deal on one of those???

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