When to Drop a Knee

This is the World Famous TelemarkTalk / TelemarkTips Forum, by far the most dynamic telemark and backcountry skiing discussion board on the world wide web. We have fun here, come on in and be a part of it.
User avatar
FourthCoast
XCD Enthusiast
XCD Enthusiast
Posts: 23
Joined: Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:55 pm

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by FourthCoast » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:36 pm

Thanks for all the responses. I do not see much, if any, soft snow skiing in my future. I am OK with 'wanna-be telemark artist' status. I will have as much fun as I can on the groomers, hard pack and ice.

User avatar
bauerb
XCD Enthusiast
XCD Enthusiast
Posts: 8
Joined: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:37 am

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by bauerb » Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:20 pm

I grew up nordic ski racing and olympic style ski jumping( I competed in combined). I started telemarking when I was about 13yo. I stopped alpine skiing about that same time. I was so used to not having my heal locked down, that telemarking was the obvious thing to do. I started skiing at ski resorts on my nordic racing equipment using tele technique. I quickly graduated to a pair of Asolo extremes with the cuff and padding hacked off some alpine boots to give the Asolo's extra height and support( I'm sure lots of people did this too). so basically its been 30 years since I have used alpine equipment. so unlike alpine skiers who have crossed over to to Tele and are therefore more comfortable with parallel turns, I am the opposite. I ski parallel when its flat or I am just traversing. I do this to save energy. but as soon as it gets steep, icy or there are bumps, I have one knee down. I started wearing knee pads early on because my stance on steps and bumps is super low. I have jumped off drops into couloirs at places like Blackcomb, and I cannot even begin to imagine how I would handle that doing parallel turns. to me, tele turns are my comfort zone, parallel is for relaxing

when I was younger and racing nordic, I never thought much about the energy needed for Tele. now I think about it alot. I train using a stair master, crouched down low on the foot pads...believe it or not, doing intervals crouched down on a stair climber is very much like doing quick tele turns. my style of skiing is alot of quick feet, quick jump turns, etc.

User avatar
Rodbelan
XCD Pinhead
XCD Pinhead
Posts: 345
Joined: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:53 am
Ski style: Very stylish
Favorite Skis: All of them; old, new...
Favorite boots: T2X & T4 for off piste; BD Axis for groomers; Merrell for XCD

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by Rodbelan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:49 pm

Lo-Fi wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:43 pm
MSU Alum wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:24 am
... the act of dropping a knee creates a longer base between your two feet and will give you better control of fore-aft balance.

Of course, the whole point of telemark skiing isn't to have a technical advantage over alpine gear/technique. It's an aesthetic all its own. I'm sure you know that, otherwise you wouldn't be taking up the sport.
Fore-aft balance. Aesthetic.

Telemark equipment and the telemark turn allow for complete skiing: Near perfect continuity between flats, uphills and downhills.
Excellent answer LF...

User avatar
jyw5
XCD Enthusiast
XCD Enthusiast
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:52 am

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by jyw5 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:55 am

I went out and skiied this afternoon in warm temps. thin breakable crust (created by high winds from last night) with deep wet heavy snow underneath. The poles sink all the way in. My 62mm asnes would sink into it. To make matters worse other people's tracks would create this semi hard/soft crud that is unavoidable in certain spots... any advice on how to turn in this stuff on a moderate slope (equivalent to a blue square at a resort) ?
I have alfa leather nnn bc boots and asnes ft62 with 45mm x skins to provide some grip and slow things down.

Thanks
Last edited by jyw5 on Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:37 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Rodbelan
XCD Pinhead
XCD Pinhead
Posts: 345
Joined: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:53 am
Ski style: Very stylish
Favorite Skis: All of them; old, new...
Favorite boots: T2X & T4 for off piste; BD Axis for groomers; Merrell for XCD

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by Rodbelan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:16 am

Not much to do: call it a day off, drink some beer, next to a warm fire...

Or else, jump turn... You can't unweight effectively in crud; you need some air to turn. You also need to crunch the surface to ski effectively. «Pretend you are an ice breaker, not a speed boat» Dr Telemark. Hard stuff though.

User avatar
bgregoire
XCD KNIGHT
XCD KNIGHT
Posts: 1079
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:31 am
Location: Rimouski, Québec
Ski style: Nordic backcountry touring with lots of turns
Favorite Skis: Fisher E99, Åsnes Ingstad & Cecilie, K2 Wayback 88
Favorite boots: Crispi Sydpolen, Alico Teletour & Alfa Polar
Website: http://living-laponia.tumblr.com

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by bgregoire » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:32 am

JYW, yes and besides, turning in hard crust will rip those nice Alfa boots of yours apart in no time flat!
I live for the Telemark arc....The feeeeeeel.....I ski miles to get to a place where there is guaranteed snow to do the deal....TM

User avatar
jyw5
XCD Enthusiast
XCD Enthusiast
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:52 am

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by jyw5 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:36 am

thanks! glad to know that these conditions are tough...perhaps that explains the few people that were up there yesterday (with heavy AT setups and wide fat boards)... I may have fallen more times yesterday than I did all of last season.

User avatar
fisheater
XCD Guide
XCD Guide
Posts: 679
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:06 pm
Location: Oakland County, MI
Occupation: Construction Manager

Re: When to Drop a Knee

Post by fisheater » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:12 pm

I does add credence to Lowangle Al’s go to kit of Vectors and T-4’s.

Post Reply