NNNBC move binding

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NNNBC move binding

Post by Bri7 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:42 pm

A few years ago, Rottefella made a great improvement for the cross-country skiing with the MOVE binding system which made it possible to move the binding for grip and glide without taking off your skis. Rail system for NNN binding and alpine binding have been around for a while but nothing (to my knowledge) is yet available for NNNBC. Nordic backcountry skiing is not the biggest market share for the manufacturer and making prototypes for those kind of equipement is probably too expensive for them; so we will probably not see anything for us in the near future.

Moving the binding along the ski should not be a privilege given only to cross-country racers. How many times have you mounted a ski without hitting the sweetspot on the first time? Drilling a ski like a swiss cheese should not be the solution. How many times have you wish you were 1 inch foward during a steep climb? So I had to come up with an idea to remedy to this problem.

It’s still not perfect and needs some carbon component to make it look better but I feel i’m getting somewhere. Of course, nothing here is patented nor intended to be. So feel free to send picture to Rottefella or anyone willing to make this solution widely available.

The base plate
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The top plate
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Full 2 inches ajustement
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The height of the railing is not too bad.
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The side button to activate the mecanism
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Front position on the ski
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Back position on the ski
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Re: NNNBC move binding

Post by lilcliffy » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:40 pm

THIS IS SO COOL.
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Re: NNNBC move binding

Post by Johnny » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:20 am

FREAKING AWESOME!

After begging Bri7 Industries for 5 years about this, I'm glad to see that they finally listened to my requests! 8-)
(They didn't seem to come out with a lot of new stuff lately...Glad to see they're still in business...)

Very nice job... As I suggested, I thought it would be easier to start with adjustable alpine binding metal rails, but you obviously like to start from scratch... Maybe you could use an old Voile release plate adapter on top of the rails instead, so it could fit both NNNBC and 3Ps? They are quite heavy though... Or maybe your plate already fits both...?

The height rise will sure benefit overall leverage... If you can go the lightweight way on the final prototype of course... Integrated NNN-BC FIS plates would be the best... (Wake up Rotte!)

Also, maybe the switch could be a big bigger, so it could be unlocked with mits and gloves?

I still have two (totally different) ideas for a movable BC binding that I am (not really) actually semi-working on...
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Re: NNNBC move binding

Post by Johnny » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:24 am

Also, can you post a top view picture of the top plate? Just curious...

Also, you need to post a video of the sliding plate in action... Please make us (me at least) drool... 8-)
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Re: NNNBC move binding

Post by Bri7 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:10 am

The top plate has nothing special yet Johnny. This version has holes for nnn bc only but i’m not sure I’ll will screw the binding for this winter. I might glue the whole binding on the plate. The thickness of the plate is very minimal. The tensile strength of the plastic is not optimal for my body weight. As for glue, I’m surprised I didn’t rip off any NIS plate on my cross country skis yet and they are all glued on the ski. So I might give a try.

I’m still trying to figure out a way to make the back of the binding work. Any idea? I was thinking about a carbon flat bar with a T-Nut groove in it and 2 T-Nuts blots on the back of the binding. Not sure It will handle snow and ice, I might get clogged on near 0C conditions.

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Re: NNNBC move binding

Post by Bri7 » Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:27 am

This solution is not too bad either and it gives you unlimited adjustement. T nuts are inserted in the aluminum profile but you have to carry an allen key to move your binding around.
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I’m curious about your 2 ideas Johnny. Email me if that’s something I can make at the shop.

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Re: NNNBC move binding

Post by Johnny » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:39 am

Aaaaaaahhhhh....! BEAUTIFUL! Absolutely beautiful...!
The 11-second Meidjo 3 video was quite something... But this, woooah...! VERY nice job!!!

Hummm... Maybe you could just forget the back plate attachment? It might give them a nice flip-flop feel and sound at the end of every turn...? (That's both our kind of silly idea isn't it?) :lol:

Also, you should have started the prototype with a regular Freeride metal plate... So I could simply switch from NTN to NNN-BC on all my resort skis!!! 8-)

In fact, this is exactly what the world needs: ONE single universal, standard, adjustable mounting plate. One plate for all: Freerides, Meidjos, 22Ds, NNN-BC and 75mm. Adjustable on the spot according to the ski, conditions and/or personal tastes. No more drilling, no more swiss cheese, just perfect mount on every ski. I fucking can't believe it's 2020 and people are still tolerating (and buying!) bindings without adjustable plates. Rottefella came out with this *MOST BRILLIANT IDEA EVER* almost 15 years ago on the Freeride and still, people are going back to non-moving bindings requiring 16,18 or20 holes on the skis every time you mount.

If you don't trust the glued FIS plates, try the ones you can screw on the ski. That is what I use and they are pretty strong... (Because obviously yes, I want to NNN on real skis... 8-) )
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