No question about it, snowboarders wreck the powder.Montana St Alum wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:09 am...The tendency among snowboarders to skid really does trash the runs.
"In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
"To me, gracefulness on skis should be the end-all of the sport" --Stein Eriksen
Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
Thanks for that link.
Skiing in Japan is awesome! I've lived there seven years of my life, and though I'm now in Toronto, my wife and I are retiring back there in ten (yes, she's Japanese). I'm unfamiliar with the Japanese ones on that link, because the Nagano/Niigata resorts are so much easier to get to from our Tokyo home: bullet trains, and all.
You can get by there easily nowadays with just English, Google translate, and a decent attitude. Nothing like hot springs after skiing, beer on the express trains, and decent grub everywhere. Never neglect to try the local saké. Cover your tattoos with a bandage, because tattoo bans in hot springs are the norm (it's a lazy way to ban Yakuza - no exceptions for Gaijin).
Skiing in Japan is awesome! I've lived there seven years of my life, and though I'm now in Toronto, my wife and I are retiring back there in ten (yes, she's Japanese). I'm unfamiliar with the Japanese ones on that link, because the Nagano/Niigata resorts are so much easier to get to from our Tokyo home: bullet trains, and all.
You can get by there easily nowadays with just English, Google translate, and a decent attitude. Nothing like hot springs after skiing, beer on the express trains, and decent grub everywhere. Never neglect to try the local saké. Cover your tattoos with a bandage, because tattoo bans in hot springs are the norm (it's a lazy way to ban Yakuza - no exceptions for Gaijin).
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
Along with wrecking good snow, their blind spot creates a danger to the world.
I approach it today as: they're just trying to have fun and We gotta share but I'd not miss them if they were sent somewhere else.
I approach it today as: they're just trying to have fun and We gotta share but I'd not miss them if they were sent somewhere else.
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
They even wreck the groomed runs. I'll make a few runs at Deer Valley and then go over to Park City and the difference on the groomed runs is profound. The SB's shave the runs down to ice (well, as close to ice as Utah gets! We'll call it "Loud Powder") and somehow even manage to pull up the occasional rock. Meanwhile DV just remains perfect.fgd135 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:33 pmNo question about it, snowboarders wreck the powder.Montana St Alum wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:09 am...The tendency among snowboarders to skid really does trash the runs.
But, at least you can hear them coming so you can brace for impact.
It's a shame, because the boarders who are competent really don't do much damage.
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
I fully support Mad River, Alta, Deer Valley for keeping snowboarder-free sanctuaries, and I can get grumpy about the novice snowboarder as much as the next guy... but I also am fully grateful to snowboarding for the impact it had on the industry we enjoy today.
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
If they don't make money, they can't stay open!joeatomictoad wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:16 pmI fully support Mad River, Alta, Deer Valley for keeping snowboarder-free sanctuaries, and I can get grumpy about the novice snowboarder as much as the next guy... but I also am fully grateful to snowboarding for the impact it had on the industry we enjoy today.
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
A carving snowboard is a beautiful thing for two main reasons: (1) intrinsic value, and (2) scarcity.Montana St Alum wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:19 amIt's a shame, because the boarders who are competent really don't do much damage.
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
Yes! Also impacts other items such as access to gear, R&D, and the leftover cash in our wallets after funding this addiction.
Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
I don't mind snowboarder in general, but I do find around here that many boarders with zero skill take the lift to the top of the mountain and create really dangerous situations because they can't stop or turn. this seems to happen more with boarders than skiers. on the flip side, I recall one bluebird day at Whitefish last winter and a guy on board came cruising down a blue run making perfect arching GS turns with his body almost parallel to the ground. it was really something to watch.
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Re: "In 1565 there were two main religions in Colorado: the skiers and the snowboarders"
In the 20+ years I've been a ski patroller, the injury/collision % numbers for snowboarders seem, at least anecdotally, to be about the same as for alpine skiers...not to rationalize the many snowboarders w/bad techniques and extreme lack of courtesy for other hill users. Backcountry snowboarders not included here, they seem about as savvy as most other bc users.
"To me, gracefulness on skis should be the end-all of the sport" --Stein Eriksen