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Re: Altai Kom skis

Postby fisheater » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:38 pm

Woodserson wrote:Lots of speculating that can only be answered by biting bullets and trying and selling the failed ideas to fund new ones...


I can't agree more Woods. I think if I was just starting out I would keep the USGI, and buy an E-88. Then my decision would be whether to buy a Kom or a Vector/V-6. I still could use a skinny waxless, but I have not found one as inexpensive as I would like. My son is on an Alpina Discovery 68, I bought that cheap. I will need to stop by that shop sometime when I get in that area and see if I can get that in a 200-210. Gareth, you would appreciate the tip on that ski. I will not ski a skinny waxless often.

lilcliffy wrote:A ski that offers enough XC performance for significant distance...plus offers downhill performance as well...How are you finding those Combat USGIs for this context? It is truly a XC ski- but, if you are comfortable downhill skiing on it- that opens a whole world of possible options

I really like that USGI for trail skiing. I love it when blue wax works, they really fly (in my world) when the blue is working. I have not tried to ski the USGI's in powder. I have not had much, and the s-112 is a pretty good powder ski. If we had soft pow all the time, I wouldn't look for another downhill powder ski. It does leave something to be desired for touring when it gets much deeper than 8" to 10" or gets a little manky, or gets chopped up and re-frozen. I can turn the USGI on firm snow, mine are 200 cm as I originally was going to put my son on the second pair. I did have quite a bit of trouble handling the camber on 6"-8" of wet granular manmade on top of boiler plate at the resort. I do not have any spring corn, but I would like to see how I can handle corn. I did not handle the combination of slush and ice well at all. I have skied resort black diamond runs with the USGI on hard pack. You need to be aware of the camber, but the edge hold is better than the s-112. Even though the edge hold is better on the USGI, the s-112 is much easier to ski on that pitch.
lilcliffy wrote:A ski that offers enough XC performance for significant distance...plus offers downhill performance as well...

That is why I am still thinking about a V-6 / Vector waxable. I need to spend more time on my USGI wax skis. I found wax worked acceptably most of the time, but it was a second warm winter, and I do not have enough time on wax to drop the coin on an expensive waxable. I think I could sell a BC much easier if I didn't like it.. I think a Vector wax would tour better than the s-112 in deeper snow. I think it would handle crust much better, and to get the most downhill outings I need to be able to handle steep, tight, backcountry crust. I think the V-6 would handle crust better, but not tour as well in those crusty conditions. I accept Connyro's assertion that the V-6 tours well, but he has nice dry, cold, powder. I think it could be different in the warmer climate where I live.
As far as the steepness of my local hills. I look for downhills that would be steeper blue runs or blacks.
While kicker skins are really cool, I plan on experimenting with colltex (?) skins. I can't remember, I think Woods or Canna posted where you could purchase skins by the inch. I will do a search and bookmark the link. I am thinking I will probably buy a narrow skin for the USGI. I will cut it at the back of the heel.
For now I will just ski vicariously through the words and photos from where folks are still skiing. I'll be paddling the canoe soon. The trout opener is the end of the month, and I am looking forward to opening weekend trout camp.

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Re: Altai Kom skis

Postby lilcliffy » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:16 pm

fisheater wrote:I really like that USGI for trail skiing. I love it when blue wax works, they really fly (in my world)

They really are an awesome distance-oriented BC-XCd ski- can't say enough good about them. And- I agree- they are fast- despite being heavy- that camber and flex, combined with that wicked tip is just made for crushing miles in the BC.

I have not tried to ski the USGI's in powder.

It sinks, doesn't "float"- but, the USGI is remarkably stable and effective in deep snow- it is MUCH better than the E-109 (and likely the T-78) in truly deep snow.

I think a Vector wax would tour better than the s-112 in deeper snow.

I'm sure you are right- wider, lower camber, rounder flex.

I think the V-6 would handle crust better, but not tour as well in those crusty conditions. I accept Connyro's assertion that the V-6 tours well, but he has nice dry, cold, powder. I think it could be different in the warmer climate where I live.

I would guess that V6 and the Vector- especially the V6- are likely useless in anything other than very deep snow, if there is any significant distance involved...

As far as the steepness of my local hills. I look for downhills that would be steeper blue runs or blacks.

Then E-88 over T-78.

While kicker skins are really cool, I plan on experimenting with colltex (?) skins. I can't remember, I think Woods or Canna posted where you could purchase skins by the inch. I will do a search and bookmark the link. I am thinking I will probably buy a narrow skin for the USGI. I will cut it at the back of the heel.

You gonna cut a notch in the tip and use that pop botttle trick and make your own home-made skimo racing skins?

For now I will just ski vicariously through the words and photos from where folks are still skiing. I'll be paddling the canoe soon. The trout opener is the end of the month, and I am looking forward to opening weekend trout camp.

It is finally raining here this evening- a true spring rain. Still have over a metre of base in the hills here, but the end is in sight- my hogs can almost smell fresh earth...
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Re: Altai Kom skis

Postby Woodserson » Mon May 22, 2017 10:30 am

I took the KOMs yesterday up to Mount Washington and I skied the east snowfields. I'm not sure how steep they are, many people say 30deg, I guess that's close. I know that they slide from time to time, so they are at least probably 25deg. People love to exaggerated slope angles (dude! it was like 75degrees!) so I tend to underestimate mine. Regardless, steeper and fun but nothing crazy. This is the steepest terrain I had the KOMs on so far and the snow was corn with a few hardspots underneath.

The biggest thing I noticed is that when you drop the knee due to their shortness and forward mount is that it's much easier to get the tip caught under the other boot and binding. Also, I got in the backseat once or twice and the tail is so wide it really loaded up and then shot me out of the turn. Once I kept a figurative eye on the ski tip and made sure to stay forward they skied fine, and were much fun! I'm glad I practiced on something a little lower angle on these fields before bringing them into something steeper like the Ravine but I wonder if it would be better to stay out of the super-steep stuff with the KOMs at least at my ability level. I could have, of course, just paralleled, but where the fun in that?

Slipped on hard stuff at :13 sec and caught the tip at :22 sec.... nice save!


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Re: Altai Kom skis

Postby lilcliffy » Tue May 23, 2017 11:00 am

Great video and useful tips man- thanks for posting!
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