Re: Fischer Easy-Skin vs. Asnes Skin-Lock
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:12 pm
So far only the 60mm left over from last year I believe. I bet they'll get another shipment in soon. I should call...
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We all do... I already contacted Asnes, still no answer... I doubt they will be available at Neptune...lilcliffy wrote:I want a set of 35mm mohair skin-lock as well BTW
Hi Gareth
This depends on the wax, but normally we recommend our customers to remove the wax before attaching the skin-lock.
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Yes - but how good is anyone going to remove it? They aren't going to strip the base. I'm guessing just a quick scrape to keep the skin glue from getting too waxy...lilcliffy wrote:Having to remove kick wax before applying the skin-lock really sucks
On an everyday tour I was hoping to use the skin-lock for that little bit of extra grip- over grip wax- when I need it. So- I was hoping I could slap them on for a bit over my kick wax, and then pull them off the moment I no longer need the grip.MikeK wrote:Yes - but how good is anyone going to remove it? They aren't going to strip the base. I'm guessing just a quick scrape to keep the skin glue from getting too waxy...lilcliffy wrote:Having to remove kick wax before applying the skin-lock really sucks
Although I doubt that this will be my primary application- I am interested in the performance of the narrow skin-lock/easy-skin- versus a waxless ski. The skin-lock/easy-skin would have to offer some impressive grip/glide for it to outperform a similar waxless ski on wet snow...BUT- on icy, refrozen snow? That's a whole other question...Also if you are using the 35mm skin on a wide ski, you are definitely going to want to clean the wax off well enough to keep it from sticking to the presumably wet snow you are skiing in due to choosing the skin.
You are planning on using the skin-lock downhill?My hope is that the 35mm skin won't impede you too much going DH. I'd be hoping to use this just like a scale setup... if not, I probably wouldn't use it much and just ski my scaled skis. The drag of the wide nylon could come in handy in icy, difficult conditions to keep speed down, but perhaps it won't be the safety blanket that a full skin can be.
I was actually planning on doing this with the 60mm Nylon skins I have. I figure throwing it on for a quick hill climb wouldn't hurt the skin too much. Worse comes to worse I'll have to clean and re-glue them eventually.lilcliffy wrote: On an everyday tour I was hoping to use the skin-lock for that little bit of extra grip- over grip wax- when I need it. So- I was hoping I could slap them on for a bit over my kick wax, and then pull them off the moment I no longer need the grip.
In theory the skin should grip that icy crap better than the scale, no? It will probably wear out the skin rather quickly though.lilcliffy wrote: Although I doubt that this will be my primary application- I am interested in the performance of the narrow skin-lock/easy-skin- versus a waxless ski. The skin-lock/easy-skin would have to offer some impressive grip/glide for it to outperform a similar waxless ski on wet snow...BUT- on icy, refrozen snow? That's a whole other question...
Yes and no - for quick climbs and descents, which is mostly what I do - I'm envisioning this only with the 35mm mohair skins. For dedicated climbing/descending which is rare for me due to geography, I'd remove them and probably use the nylon ones. Or in the case of above where I just need more grip and don't want to herringbone or sidestep.lilcliffy wrote: You are planning on using the skin-lock downhill?
I think that- just as the Asnes response suggested- the degree of complications likely depend on the specific kick wax. A cold wax (i.e. hard) should cause fewer problems than a warm wax (i.e. soft and sticky)- klister and skin adhesive would be a particularly bad mix I would think!MikeK wrote:I was actually planning on doing this with the 60mm Nylon skins I have. I figure throwing it on for a quick hill climb wouldn't hurt the skin too much. Worse comes to worse I'll have to clean and re-glue them eventually.lilcliffy wrote: On an everyday tour I was hoping to use the skin-lock for that little bit of extra grip- over grip wax- when I need it. So- I was hoping I could slap them on for a bit over my kick wax, and then pull them off the moment I no longer need the grip.
Yes- I think that a kicker skin is the only dependable solution for K&G grip when backcountry skiing- through the woods- on icy, refrozen snow. Klister provides the best grip/glide, but it is an absolute nightmare in the woods. Again the narrow skin will hopefully provide a decent balance between grip/glide.MikeK wrote:In theory the skin should grip that icy crap better than the scale, no? It will probably wear out the skin rather quickly though.lilcliffy wrote: Although I doubt that this will be my primary application- I am interested in the performance of the narrow skin-lock/easy-skin- versus a waxless ski. The skin-lock/easy-skin would have to offer some impressive grip/glide for it to outperform a similar waxless ski on wet snow...BUT- on icy, refrozen snow? That's a whole other question...
But- wouldn't you take off the skin-lock on the descent? I would predict the skin-lock to peel off if you attempted a downhill turn...MikeK wrote:Yes and no - for quick climbs and descents, which is mostly what I do - I'm envisioning this only with the 35mm mohair skins. For dedicated climbing/descending which is rare for me due to geography, I'd remove them and probably use the nylon ones. Or in the case of above where I just need more grip and don't want to herringbone or sidestep.lilcliffy wrote: You are planning on using the skin-lock downhill?