Ski: 2015-16 Voile V6 BC (fishscale kicker) 183cm
Binding: Rotteffela NTN Freedom
Boot: Scarpa TX Pro
Me: 6'2", 185#, 59 yrs old, Skiing for 45 yrs, Tele 20 yrs
All skiing in Colorado in all types of conditions and terrain.
I am not in the ski industry.
I skied these skis inbounds several days just to get a lot of runs on them. I was amazed how well they float, carve, and even rail groomers. They also handle stiff broken crud very well. Could be one of the best bump skis I have ever been on. However, I am not a great bump skier and only tolerate them in relatively soft conditions. Ice bumps - no thanks.
One day we we're yo-yoing peaks above and below treeline with sleds. We had the fortune of about 14" of fresh on top of a pretty soft early March base. I brought these V6's and also brought my V8's set up with Dynafit Radicals just in case the V6's might be too narrow for the conditions. Well I don't particularly like my heels clamped down and I only skied one run with those. The V6's totally amazed me how well they floated and handled in the pow. They are really lightweight and turn super smoothly. The slightly narrow tail pops the soft tips up just enough where I could see them 90% of the time.
Two weekends ago I skied Winter Park in 11" of fresh spring powder on Saturday and then got another foot Sunday. I had these and my Dynastar Cham HM 97's in the truck and chose the V6 over the Chams. They are only 3mm wider underfoot but the straight stiff tail on the Chams sunk just a little too much so it was V6 for most of the weekend. Again, I could see my tips most of the time but when I couldn't, whatever was going on down under there was pure magic.
FISHSCALE COMMENTS: OK, here is where you need to understand the benefits and trade-offs of the scales. I have toured 10 miles or so on these skis and have had them in hard frozen snow, 2' of trail breaking powder and most everything between.
You can climb 25-30 degrees depending on the texture and temperature of the snow. In moist fresh snow they grip much better. Cold hard trails, they don't stick as well. The weight savings of no skins is very noticeable and appreciated. I adjusted my technique slightly to sort of stomp my feet to lock in a grip when it started getting slippery. Normally with skins I would lift my feet only a minimal amount to save energy.
These are not intended to be an in-bounds ski but I gotta say I enjoy scampering around with the scales and finding little short climbs to grab some untracked where no one goes. The downside is they slow you down on flat runouts and catwalks. Another downside is you get out of synch with others in your BC tour party as to when everyone puts on skins. If you come to a short downhill, they may keep theirs on and kick n glide down while you ski down and wait. Then when its getting too steep for the scales, you have to skin up and they already have theirs on so they wait (maybe). I just bought my wife a pair so at least we will be in synch. She loves how they ski as well.
I have to assume that the regular V6 (non-BC version) would be a fantastic all-round ski for anyone that wants to ski in and out of bounds as long as you're not a 200+ lb hard charger dude. Especially great ski for tele.
I'm impressed you say that they will climb 25-30 degree slopes! WOW!
I think the best any of my scaled skis can manage is 15 degrees without adding some herringbone, might get a couple more using the edge like that.
And like you say, this is all in ideal snow - cold, sugary snow or icy refrozen breakable crusts can decrease that by a few degrees, or for some scales, make them virtually useless.
Damn! Describes me exactly......and what I was going to use the non-BC version for.Gladeskier wrote: I have to assume that the regular V6 (non-BC version) would be a fantastic all-round ski for anyone that wants to ski in and out of bounds as long as you're not a 200+ lb hard charger dude. Especially great ski for tele.
Actually had a pair of these on hold but got talked out of them by those dudes on that other forum.
Thanks for great review and affirmation.
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V6 is a bit softer, a bit wider. I think you need both. Official answervoilenerd wrote:I wonder how the V6 would compare to the Hypervector or Ultravector BC?
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The V6 is a powder ski- though a bit more versatile than the wider, floatier V8- the V6 remains a powder ski all the same with more tip rocker, more tail rocker and less sidecut (more width underfoot) than the Vector/Ultravector- it is also described as having a "round flex". Despite being wider and having less sidecut the V6 has a shorter turn radius than the Vector/Ultravector. All of this clearly indicates that the V6 has a much shorter effective edge than the vectors and would probably be a bit miserable on hardpack/groomed snow (at least I wouldn't like it). The V6 is designed for float, early-tip rise, and smeary more evenly-weighted powder turns. As far as stiffness- don't know- the V6 could easily be as stiff or even stiffer than the vectors- remember its already reverse-flexed because of all that tip and tail rocker!
The Ultravectors are described as having the longest effective edge of their skis, and as such are the "best" of the fleet on "firm snow"- described as a lightweight and effortless "all-mountain" ski. It sounds like Voile softened up the Ultravector (from the Vector) and gave it more sidecut- this would make it easier to turn (and probably easier to make an equally-weighted telemark turn on hardpack?)
Hey Woods- perhaps you are not the only one who had some trouble with the Vector on less than ideal snow- I would be very interested in your personal comparison between the Vector and Ultravector! (I have really only put the old Vector BC through its paces once and that was in ideal snow conditions...)
The Ultravector is clearly a more versatile ski than the V6- especially for skiers that typically ski on dense, moisture-rich snow. I think that Voile realized the Vector was a little too hard-charging! (I think they figured this out with the Charger/Supercharger first, then moved on to the Vector/Ultravector...) Voile is also clearly deeply committed to Telemark skiing- I suspect that being able to Telemark effectively is a major driver of ski design and testing for them. I am sure that the Vector was just fine with Alpine technique- I am thinking that it was Telemark skiing that greatly influenced the evolution of the Ultravector.
The V6 and V8 are tried, tested and true. I imagine designing a ski for a specific snow condition (e.g. deep powder snow) is much less complex than designing a highly-versatile ski for variable snow conditions. It makes sense to me that the "Vector" is evolving much faster than the V6.
I know which one I would buy for mountain skiing in the Northeast- the Ultravector. I don't think we get enough cold, dry powder snow for me to able to justify the V6- at least not to begin with!!
Ahhh- I dream of a return to trips to the mountains...For now, I need to be content with being at home with my young family and my dreamy tours in the hills!
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
I feel the Hypervectors are best on unknown terrain.