First non gear buy/sell post! So this year I finally got my avy 1 course and started getting off the resort - Truckee area. It's everything I every thought it would be and more!
2 different setups - 1 "power & powder" setup: soul7/meidjo/4 buckle, 2nd lighter setup: amaruq/AXL/3 buckle.
Like i said - i'm loving off resort - but I think my ideal ski tour is one where I'm not even thinking about transitions and doing more rolly several hours tours. So i'm thinking of going with a waxless metal ski w/ a wait in the 80's, and either something like the voile 3 pin traverse, or maybe just the 3 pin w/ no cable!
So back to my main topic/question. I'm wondering what the advise is out there if you want to tele w/ just the 3 pins. Is this a crazy idea? Is the theory that you just have to get farther down in the stance in order to activate the resistance from the 3 pin/duckbill? Will I ever ski single black rated steeps in a setup like this?
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You did not mention, are you talking about using leather boots here or a plastic shell boot? Are you thinking of using the voile traverse with cables on? The cable gives provides a decent amount of activity and can be remove for a more touring oriented adventure.
yes - I have looked at the Objectives a lot and am very interested in picking up a pair for next seaons. They sounds a tad more downhill oriented than the annums, is that right?bgregoire wrote:80 at the waist sound like a lot of ski for a basic 3-pin setup but its doable, heck, a few brave men here are teleing those with NNN-BC. Would something like the Madshus Annum or Voile Objective do?
Right now I only have the T2 eco's in duckbill- so unless that starts to feel too much for this kind of touring I would stay w/ plastic. Honestly i'll stay w/ plastic either way because I have recently turned into a super lofty veganbgregoire wrote: You did not mention, are you talking about using leather boots here or a plastic shell boot? Are you thinking of using the voile traverse with cables on? The cable gives provides a decent amount of activity and can be remove for a more touring oriented adventure.
teledance wrote:Cables are quite nice at times going down, I still use the Voile 3-pin cable and just don't use the cables for the up, heck you'll forget them sometimes in the excitement to ski powder.]
Word - that is what i'm leaning towards. The 3-pin traverse where I can remove cables most of the time.
Any telemark tips, @greatgt, on how to tele in 3 pins?greatgt wrote:Been skiing PINS....a long time.....like @ 40 years....
So am I right in my thinking that the way to tele on 3 pins is to just get down lower to activate the resistance in the duckbill?STG wrote:I ski with plastic boots (old Scarpa T-3) and 3-pins with no cable on my Madshus Annum, Madshus Eon and Agnes Kongsvold.
We haven't discussed boots yet but I suggest full-leather with Crispi Antarctic being ideal - only about $230 from Telemarkdown, that's an unbelievable deal for what you get.
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The cable could add to the resistance when touring, but not much if you don't have an active binding. The main benefit of no cable is the weight savings. As far as the feel of the turn I find skiing with a cable to be smoother, easier and more pleasing.
I skied 20 years with three pins only, another 5 years skiing both with leather and plastic boots. The last 10 years has been mostly with a cable with leather and plastic boots, except for the last two seasons when I skied exclusively with three pins. This season I'm back to the cable. I'm gonna stick with them because I missed the control they added..
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You do not want to get too low (knee stress) or spread out! You want to tuck your back leg behind your other leg in a tight but flexible stance. Also, very important is staying centered and fluid/dynamic with you body over your skis so you can adjust the force you apply with you ankles or knees etc. If you come from a alpine tradition you already have skills that will help you transition to a free heel. Be patient-with lots of miles you will improve and get it! Read those books.
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