Falketind 62 vs Eons?
- AdamA
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Falketind 62 vs Eons?
Hey friends,
Searching for my dream BC ski. Equal parts flats and turns. Driven by BCX 75 waterproofs.
I’ve got a pair of Eons but they’re not the turniest skis out there (though not bad!). Anyone know how the Falketinds compare with regards to K+G performance?
Im in New England so snow conditions are usually crusty, icy, and sometimes mucky.
Searching for my dream BC ski. Equal parts flats and turns. Driven by BCX 75 waterproofs.
I’ve got a pair of Eons but they’re not the turniest skis out there (though not bad!). Anyone know how the Falketinds compare with regards to K+G performance?
Im in New England so snow conditions are usually crusty, icy, and sometimes mucky.
- fisheater
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
The new FT Xplore has kick and glide. I actually had better kick and glide than some T-78 skiers I met on a recent trip. Now those skiers were kind enough to lead me around a new place, they were younger and more accustomed to the vertical relief. Not that 1000 feet is serious, but in Michigan where I ski 150 feet is good. I was just happy that my skis kick and glided better as I kicked less going uphill and I had no trouble keeping up. I cannot account for skier weight to ski length. I will add that my Rex Universal Tar was darn sweet in those snow conditions.
I don’t know how the Eon kicks or turns. I’ll say at proper length the T-78 kicks as well as the FT X as well as the Eon. I’m only saying these as a possible allowance for my next statement.
The new FT Xplore makes the Madshus and Fischer 20 year old designs in this class obsolete. Absolutely and completely. I never skied my S-112 after buying my original FT 62, and that was a more flawed design. Today if you want a cross country ski that is also a downhill ski, there’s only one the FT Xplore.
I mounted my FT X Rottefella Super Telemark with cable. The intent was moderate touring with my Alpina 75 sans cable, maybe Alico Ski March with cable. Well the more I ski the Alpina 75 the more I appreciate it’s XC capabilities. I am now putting it equal to the Alaska BC. However with the Rotte cable, it’s a downhill boot.
The new Falketind Xplore overall is far superior to the previous design in both XC and downhill. That doesn’t mean the previous version doesn’t do some things better. Overall XC and downhill together, there is no comparison the new Xplore is far, far superior. I will add I am currently on the 196 cm FT X, the largest size made when I purchased the original was 188. Like I said previously I still much preferred it to S-bounds.
I don’t know how the Eon kicks or turns. I’ll say at proper length the T-78 kicks as well as the FT X as well as the Eon. I’m only saying these as a possible allowance for my next statement.
The new FT Xplore makes the Madshus and Fischer 20 year old designs in this class obsolete. Absolutely and completely. I never skied my S-112 after buying my original FT 62, and that was a more flawed design. Today if you want a cross country ski that is also a downhill ski, there’s only one the FT Xplore.
I mounted my FT X Rottefella Super Telemark with cable. The intent was moderate touring with my Alpina 75 sans cable, maybe Alico Ski March with cable. Well the more I ski the Alpina 75 the more I appreciate it’s XC capabilities. I am now putting it equal to the Alaska BC. However with the Rotte cable, it’s a downhill boot.
The new Falketind Xplore overall is far superior to the previous design in both XC and downhill. That doesn’t mean the previous version doesn’t do some things better. Overall XC and downhill together, there is no comparison the new Xplore is far, far superior. I will add I am currently on the 196 cm FT X, the largest size made when I purchased the original was 188. Like I said previously I still much preferred it to S-bounds.
- wabene
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
Can anybody compare the new FT 62 Explore to the Madshus M62, the Panorama Transition model? I doubt it, but I would be interested in the answer.
- freedom glider
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
is the FT Xplore only for Xplore bindings? or can it be used with other bindings too?
- fisheater
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
I mounted mine with Rottefella Super Telemark with cable. While I’m sure the Xplore binding system is nice, I own an Alaska 75, Alico Ski March, and a T-4. No way as of yet for the Xplore system to compete with that versatility.freedom glider wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:18 pmis the FT Xplore only for Xplore bindings? or can it be used with other bindings too?
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
That phenomena is called «marketing»... a more polished, more «acceptable» version of «bullshit».freedom glider wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:18 pmis the FT Xplore only for Xplore bindings? or can it be used with other bindings too?
You can put whatever binding you want on those skis... no problemo.
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- fisheater
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- Favorite Skis: Gamme 54, Falketind 62, I hope to add a third soon
- Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska, Alico Ski March
- Occupation: Construction Manager
Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
@Rodbelan i know you have a Panorama 62, would you care to share what it does well? I know you wrote that you liked the ski.
- Rodbelan
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
To my taste, it's the perfect compromise ski; enough tracking, good enough turner, rocker, stiffer than the original Eon, but not too stiff. But it's different than the Eon — the only thing they have in common is the sidecut... I really like that ski indeed...
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- wabene
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
Thanks fellas, I'm getting to know the Panorama 62, I just have never skied something similar to compare it to. I came from either Nordic track skiing or alpine. It is the most downhill oriented Nordic ski I have ever tried. The public land I use the M62 on has about 300 feet of vertical. Looking for some bigger hills or maybe a small resort that I like to try the Voile cables and dropping the knee.Rodbelan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:35 pmTo my taste, it's the perfect compromise ski; enough tracking, good enough turner, rocker, stiffer than the original Eon, but not too stiff. But it's different than the Eon — the only thing they have in common is the sidecut... I really like that ski indeed...
- lilcliffy
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Re: Falketind 62 vs Eons?
Just a note on the current Madshus XCD models (62/68/78)-
Just recently received confirmation from a reputable dealer (Akers in ME) that the current models are identical to the old Eon/Epoch/Annum with the Omintrack base (which were identical to the original Karhu XCD GT/10th Mtn/Guide).
There was a temporary run of redesigned "Panorama" 62/68 (don't know that this ever included a 78 model) that had the same sidecut- but a different rocker-camber geometry , flex and build- they also had a waxable base and Madshus' kicker skin insert. @Rodbelan I am pretty sure that the "Eon" Rod is speaking of above is this ski (not the Eon)- correct?
I am under the impression that these new 62/68 models were not manufactured this year- everything I have seen for sale this season was leftover stock (I wish I had bought a set!)
Of note- to make it even more confusing- is that Madshus continued to make the 62/68/78 in the old designs at the same time as they made the new "Panorama" 62/68 and were called the Eon 62/Epoch 68/Annum 78 for a couple of seasons before being called the M62/M68/M78 this year...(I am assuming that the "Eon" name has actually been dropped and is now just the "M62"?)
Regardless- my source confirms that the current "M62" = "Eon 62"= "Eon" = "XCD GT" (last gen) - regadless of the "new" lengths ( and I doubt that the lengths are actually different...)
BTW- does anybody know if the "62" is still available with a sintered waxable base (i.e. "Eon Wax")?
Just recently received confirmation from a reputable dealer (Akers in ME) that the current models are identical to the old Eon/Epoch/Annum with the Omintrack base (which were identical to the original Karhu XCD GT/10th Mtn/Guide).
There was a temporary run of redesigned "Panorama" 62/68 (don't know that this ever included a 78 model) that had the same sidecut- but a different rocker-camber geometry , flex and build- they also had a waxable base and Madshus' kicker skin insert. @Rodbelan I am pretty sure that the "Eon" Rod is speaking of above is this ski (not the Eon)- correct?
I am under the impression that these new 62/68 models were not manufactured this year- everything I have seen for sale this season was leftover stock (I wish I had bought a set!)
Of note- to make it even more confusing- is that Madshus continued to make the 62/68/78 in the old designs at the same time as they made the new "Panorama" 62/68 and were called the Eon 62/Epoch 68/Annum 78 for a couple of seasons before being called the M62/M68/M78 this year...(I am assuming that the "Eon" name has actually been dropped and is now just the "M62"?)
Regardless- my source confirms that the current "M62" = "Eon 62"= "Eon" = "XCD GT" (last gen) - regadless of the "new" lengths ( and I doubt that the lengths are actually different...)
BTW- does anybody know if the "62" is still available with a sintered waxable base (i.e. "Eon Wax")?
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