First Backcountry ski area in US

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Re: First Backcountry ski area in US

Post by Tele2$room2$broom » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:14 am

Baaahb wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:43 pm
freeheelwilly wrote:
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Yeah, private property rights. So "crazy".
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Re: First Backcountry ski area in US

Post by freeheelfreemind » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:02 am

Andy M wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:29 pm
... I read through the details, and, frankly, I find this very troubling. Perhaps I am overly sensitive since this is initially occurring in Colorado, but all of us should be concerned where this might lead. Although this instance is on private land, in a worst-case scenario, this could potentially lead to fee-oriented backcountry areas in national forest.
Thank you for your comment. You should be troubled by this. Charging a fee for the right to access the backcountry is wrong. This is happening too much.

Recently, near Bend, Oregon the FS will start charging a $4 to $11 (plus a fee of up to $6 processing fee) a day to access a several wilderness areas nearby. No new services will be provided sans one... a ranger to enforce fees. And here's the best part, you have to reserve your access in advance. So, if there's a snow dump, you should have planned for that in advance. Also, since you may have planned in advance, and made a reservation, if the avalanche conditions are high, how many people may put themselves at risk for this reservation based system.

I have seen this trend develop rapidly for charging special fees for accessing the backcountry. This thread is particularly disturbing. Thanks for posting.
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Re: First Backcountry ski area in US

Post by Andy M » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:25 am

freeheelfreemind, thanks for the supportive post.
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we already have MANY lodges and facilities dedicated to BC skiing all over the United States. The nicest one I've seen is a day lodge in Olympic National Park in Washington. Can't remember the exact name of it but you drive way up into the montains to get there...beautiful building and facility surrounded by disneyland of BC skiing. I believe it was a socialist facility i.e. free for all citizens of the realm :lol:
I assume you are talking about Hurricane Ridge. If so, Hurricane Ridge is nothing like what is being proposed in the original post. At Hurricane Ridge, you do have to pay the national park entrance fee, but you do not pay anything additional to recreate, whether it be on skis or snowshoes or on foot.

The precedent that this "backcountry area for fee" may set is that you may now have to pay to ski at your favorite national forest area, where previously there was no fee, because someone like Bluebird got a permit to "administer" the area. Yes, there are already controversial fees for public lands, e.g., Vail Pass in Colorado (mostly due to backcountry ski vs. snowmobile issues), but this could lead to fees in other areas, because an entity like Bluebird gets a permit for a forest service area that currently has no fees.

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Re: First Backcountry ski area in US

Post by jgurtz » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:46 pm

Saw title and immediately thought of "Whitegrass"

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