OMG! Another "help me pick my ski" thread

[bgregoire]

Bob,

IMO Rossi makes the narrowest boots. Alpina is relatively narrow. Crispi Antarctic is also narrow when new and unstretched.

I'm quite confused with your goals, at first you wrote of low angle missions est relatively wide XCD ski examples, but you are also reacting positively to very narrow distance oriented skis. I'm really not sure what you are trying to do. Sorry I cant be of better help.

[Baaahb]

I'm quite confused with your goals, at first you wrote of low angle missions est relatively wide XCD ski examples, but you are also reacting positively to very narrow distance oriented skis. I'm really not sure what you are trying to do. Sorry I cant be of better help.

As I said, I already have a fischer boundless (S112?) and a rossy bc-125. And also a Karhu 10th mtn guide....somewhere. I also have narrow classic skis, such as Fischer crown. So this ski is something in between those two. Quivers are important things and there is really a huge range of mission and skis to suit the mission.

IMO critical is under 90 width. Maybe 80 or under. Then it becomes a tradeoff between speed on speedy surfaces vs turnability. I think having softer flex and reduced camber is more important than width for turnability. A skinnier ski will be faster on a speedy surface but is not going to be much faster on loose snow (and can even be slower due to reduced float).

Perhaps I could rephrase the question as what is the most turnable ski under 90 mm, perhaps not. Because some skis are noticeably slower than others. I tend to blame this on too much sidecut.

I appreciate the discussion and will now go flip some coins. Actually, a lot these days is dictated by what's available. But it's good to know what to look for at next year's ski swaps. Cause quiver is important.

[bgregoire]

Ok clearer to me now. As Fish suggested, go with the Eon if you can. You can always go skinnier on the following purchase. As your buying from ski swaps though, i'd just get what you can under 90 as you said. Enjoy the snow!

[lilcliffy]

A 189 Rossy bc-90 is the obvious choice.

The Rossi BC90 (if it is the last-gen with the 68mm waist) is a Fischer Excursion 88 (previously the S-Bound 88- previously the Outtabounds).

Possibly the current Rossy-80.

The current Rossi BC 80 is definitely less cambered than the BC90/Fischer 88- I very recently flexed these skis side by side in the shop.

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Just reading your thread Baahhb-

I am not sure if I understand what you are wanting in a ski...
You said you don't want "double-cambered" skis like the Fischer 88- but started with saying the BC90 would be good (these are the same skis). And as far as this ski (BC90/E-88) I wouldn't quite describe them as "double-cambered"- they are certainly stiff and cambered, but I would not describe them as having a very stiff resistant second camber...

And on that note- if you are going to use them to tour on groomed surfaces/consolidated snow- why would you not want some camber and stiffness- to GO FAST!!!

The Eon was suggested- this ski is going to be completely and utterly dead on a consolidated surface at your weight- and it is going to bow like a banana in deep soft snow. I would definitely recommend the Fischer 78/88 instead of the Eon- for a ski in this class- for a skier of your weight. The Eon is fine for lightweight skiers- but even then it it totally dead when touring on consolidated snow.

[lilcliffy]

thinking out loud..........

Madshus Eon : 83-62-70 "more camber" (bad) but reported to turn easily

The Eon is as cambered as the BC90/E-88 but has a softer flex- making them easier to turn, but slower XC skis.

Rossy BC-80: 80-60-70 tip rocker? (good)

Why do you want tip rocker in this ski? Just trying to figure out your intended skiing.
The Fischer 78/88 have similar tip rocker as does the E-99 Xtralite.

Fischer traverse 78: same comment! what is with these manufacturers? "stiff double cambered"

I would not describe the Fischer 78 as a truly double-cambered ski- you might well love it for the light touring you are intending (I think that is what you are intending?)

Fischer Excursion 88 (thank you, REI!) 88-68-78 double camber (bad) nordic rocker (good)

If your wife's BC90s are a relatively recent model- these are the same ski as the Fischer 88.

Fischer e99: 66-54-61, rocker, fits in track

The E99 is truly double-cambered- but tuned for BC snow (i.e. not a track ski)- it does "fit" in a groomed track but just barely.

[lilcliffy]

Perhaps I could rephrase the question as what is the most turnable ski under 90 mm, perhaps not.

I am assuming you mean under 90mm tip?
Most turnable Nordic touring skis under 90mm tip?
My immediate thoughts from least to turniest:
- Asnes Amundsen
- Asnes Gamme 54
- Fischer 88/78 (Rossi BC90)
- Asnes Combat Nato/Breidablikk/Fischer E99 Xtralite
- Asnes Ingstad/Nansen/Madshus Eon/Fischer E-109
- Asnes Falketind 62

Cannot speak for Alpina and Rossi's current models.
Am I missing anything?

And- please chime in and disagree with me on the list above!

[lilcliffy]

Oops! ↑
Falketind 62 doesn't "count"- it has a 97mm tip...

Perhaps waist width is a better limiter- say skis under 70mm underfoot?

[lowangle al]

I didn't want to say it, I tried not to say it and even though Baaahb stated how he feels about it I have to say it. I think that Baaahb and his quiver would benefit from a single camber waxable ski.

[fisheater]

Oops! ↑
Falketind 62 doesn't "count"- it has a 97mm tip...

Perhaps waist width is a better limiter- say skis under 70mm underfoot?

The Falketind 62 may be the lightest ski on that list. I’m too lazy to do the research. While it has a 97 mm tip it isn’t squirrelly in soft snow, however it isn’t joyful to kick along on a hard trail. It is still pretty unique. I’m glad to have one.

[Baaahb]

Hey, thanks all again for the comments and I have to apologize to y'all but especially cliffy who caught the incongruity and was righty confused by my mistake....

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my wife's ski is a BC-70. About 10 years old.


The Falketind has much to say for it but doesn't the wide tip make it signficantly slower? I also think it is very hard to get here in the US......is it readily available in Canada?

So I am thinking the popular E99 is a very good candidate, though its double camber has me concerned. EON as the safer choice.