Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by lilcliffy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:43 am

Woodserson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:46 pm
johnnycanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:31 pm

It's been tough doing extensive research given that these skis are brand new, but these resources stuck out. First this one which helps to describe the changes to the Fischer lineup: https://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/fisch ... -2022-skis

I'm glad you found the other threads, beat me to it!

These skis are not brand new. The Transnordic 66 is only rebranded E99 Xtralite. No change materially.


EDIT apologies the 82 changed, notice the length difference!
I wonder if it is actually a different length in reality?
I know that Fischer has had these weird length "names" from different product lines- but my "199cm" 78/88 is actually closer to my wife's 195cm Eon or the marketed "196cm" of the 2021-2022 T78...

Madshus is now marketing their 62/68/78 at 162/172/182/192- I seriously doubt that these skis are any different than the 165/175/185/195 models that have been unchanged for 20 years! (BTW- I have seen rumours on the web of "202cm" Madhus 68&78?!)
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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by lilcliffy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:57 am

johnnycanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:00 pm
Woodserson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:45 pm
PERSONALLY , I would go with a E99/Transnordic 66 without a doubt. The trail breaking ski, however, would be an Ingstad. (I'm assuming wax since you are not getting the crown versions of the skis. I would get a 200 E99/TN66 at your weight.
I appreciate the advice

I should note one thing, I have the wax version selected because that is the only thing the dealer has available that I'm looking up - I want the crown but I am battling inventory madness :cry: Though with the TN66, I feel like I could hold off and see what dealers near me get in the next few weeks... I imagine someone will get a few pairs given its popularity.
Ok- so you actually would prefer a waxless-scaled ski? Don't take the TN66 Crown to the Laurentians.
There is no Crown-version of the TN82.
Do you want a waxless-scaled ski for the Laurentians as well?
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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by lilcliffy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:07 pm

エイダン.シダル wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:03 pm
As for the Otto Sverdrup for you, you might be in deeper snow more often than me. In which case, they're not a 'compromise ski', but the right one.
I am not convinced that the Sverdrup ski is intended for deep snow (the Ingstad is).
My current impression is that the Sverdrup ski is primarliy intended for consolidated snow (or at least not truly deep)- offering the "turnability" of the Nansen, but at the same time better XC performance than the Nansen- being more cambered and stiffer underfoot.
This is a VERY difficult thing to get just right↑
And even if they do get it just right- it will surely make the Sverdrup unstable in deep snow and breakable crust/crud?

BTW- as an aside- did you order your Gammes from Neptune- and did they ship to Canada?
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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by lilcliffy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:11 pm

John Dee wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:48 pm
I think that cutting through snow efficiently is more effective than trying to float on top of it with a soft/wide ski. There's some float involved, but its a mix of float and effective trail breaking.
For traditional Nordic backcountry touring- I COMPLETELY agree here! And one needs a VERY wide ski to truly float on top of very deep soft snow (at XC speeds). Again the TN82 is not better in deep snow than the TN66.
I've read about some dissatisfaction for the e99 xtralite because of its flexible front. It makes it less good at breaking trail, and causes falling through crust when you might otherwise not.
Yes- both the current E99/TN66 and the E109/TN82 are very poor in very deep soft snow and/or breakable crust.
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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by lilcliffy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:17 pm

johnnycanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:38 am
Thanks for the info, curious what you would suggest in deeper snow in that case? Others have mentioned going the TN66 / Gamme paired with Ingstad, thoughts on that?
Well the Ingstad BC is a truly dreamy XC ski for truly deep snow and steep terrain- it is however very narrowly tuned towards these conditions.
I have not heard much positive about the Waxless version of the Ingstad.
I am leaning towards buying the skinner ski this season mind you (Gamme or TN66) and then figuring out what I need in terms of a wider ski later on. But still, I am curious what you think.
It is still unclear to me whether you are looking for a waxable or scaled ski?
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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by riel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:39 pm

lilcliffy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:17 pm
johnnycanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:38 am
Thanks for the info, curious what you would suggest in deeper snow in that case? Others have mentioned going the TN66 / Gamme paired with Ingstad, thoughts on that?
Well the Ingstad BC is a truly dreamy XC ski for truly deep snow and steep terrain- it is however very narrowly tuned towards these conditions.

I have not heard much positive about the Waxless version of the Ingstad.
I put about 100 miles on my waxless Ingstad skis last season, both in soft snow, on hard snow, and on hard snow with a little bit (1/2 to 2") of new snow on top.

The fishscale pattern takes more effort to use than the fishscales on the Traverse 78, but the Ingstad glides better and is much more predictable when turning. Even with just 1/2" of new snow on top of the old snow, the Ingstad's rocker seems to be relatively effective when initiating a turn.

I plan to use it a bunch more next winter.



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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by johnnycanuck » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:15 pm

lilcliffy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:17 pm
johnnycanuck wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:38 am
Thanks for the info, curious what you would suggest in deeper snow in that case? Others have mentioned going the TN66 / Gamme paired with Ingstad, thoughts on that?
Well the Ingstad BC is a truly dreamy XC ski for truly deep snow and steep terrain- it is however very narrowly tuned towards these conditions.
I have not heard much positive about the Waxless version of the Ingstad.
I am leaning towards buying the skinner ski this season mind you (Gamme or TN66) and then figuring out what I need in terms of a wider ski later on. But still, I am curious what you think.
It is still unclear to me whether you are looking for a waxable or scaled ski?
Everything is still up in the air, what I get will most likely be determined by what is left. If I go the TN66 route, I want a waxless 200. However no one has them right now that I know of, only waxable are available.



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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by lilcliffy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:03 pm

lilcliffy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:25 am
johnnycanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:36 am
Montana St Alum wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:34 am
Do whatever costs the most!
LOL that is what it feels like - though getting the Asnes skis in would be more pricier than this setup... hmmm
I don't know that Asnes is necesarily much more expensive for us Canadians.
For comparison-
at LaCordee in QC- 2021/10/13:
- Fischer TN82: $540CAN
- Asnes Nansen BC: $560CAN
https://www.lacordee.com/en/wintersport ... untry-skis
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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by エイダン.シダル » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:36 pm

lilcliffy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:03 pm
lilcliffy wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:25 am
johnnycanuck wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:36 am


LOL that is what it feels like - though getting the Asnes skis in would be more pricier than this setup... hmmm
I don't know that Asnes is necesarily much more expensive for us Canadians.
For comparison-
at LaCordee in QC- 2021/10/13:
- Fischer TN82: $540CAN
- Asnes Nansen BC: $560CAN
https://www.lacordee.com/en/wintersport ... untry-skis
I just got Gammes sent from Neptune Mountaineering to Toronto in eight days: no duty, no tax! YMMV

They're selling Nansens, for example, $399+50 shipping, USD: $558 CAD. LaCordee: $666.70, after shipping and taxes. Also, Neptune has FAR more selection.

I'm a great fan of our healthcare, whatever. But Canadian retailers can't get me to buy when they charge more, and have terrible selection.



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Re: Does Fischer Transnordic 66 + 82 make sense?

Post by johnnycanuck » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:08 am

You scored a great deal on the Gammes in that case. Nicely done.



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