New NTN Setup. Differences...

[Montana St Alum]

Given the difficulty of adjusting telemark boot dimensions in the toe area, I think it would be easier to adjust heel and arch fit. I went from Syner-G's to Scarpa Tx and I didn't see much difference, but of course, ymmv. It may just be time to return the Scotts if they'll refund your money.

The Syner-G's I have were custom fit a few years back. The boot fitter says those were a larger volume boot and they had a lot to work with. The Scarpas fit great in the toe but are too tight in the arch fit and so tight that with the boot as loosely buckled as possible, my feet started going numb after about 5 minutes in the boots. The boot fitters said that expanding the Scarpas in the areas I need them fit is not possible or at least extremely difficulty (this boot fitter has been in business for 40+ years and are the same ones that did an amazing job on my Syner-G's).

I had the Scotts at the boot fitters this weekend and they 'went for broke' and stretched where they could. In the shop, they feel better than before but I didn't get a chance to ski them yet.

I am not sure how returns will work on a boot that has been extensively worked and skied on 7 days so far.

Another shop suggested I go up a size in the Scarpas (to a 29 or a 29.5) and then have the liners in a demo pair cooked to see if I can get any comfort there.

Well, good luck. Hopefully this will work out.

[tigerstripe40]

Skied the NTNs yesterday. still a little tight in the left foot but not so incredibly painful I can't ski.

The next thing to worry about is how I feel like the boot/binding setup is pushing me forward. Where I ski on my Hammerheads/Syner-G's is a bit further back, I feel, than the OutlawX/VooDoos. It stresses my quads to be able to stand in the boots without falling forward. Should I look at shimming the front of the binding or maybe swap the heel piece out for the hammerhead heel piece?

[Montana St Alum]

Skied the NTNs yesterday. still a little tight in the left foot but not so incredibly painful I can't ski.

The next thing to worry about is how I feel like the boot/binding setup is pushing me forward. Where I ski on my Hammerheads/Syner-G's is a bit further back, I feel, than the OutlawX/VooDoos. It stresses my quads to be able to stand in the boots without falling forward. Should I look at shimming the front of the binding or maybe swap the heel piece out for the hammerhead heel piece?

Glad to hear you're making progress.

By "pushing you forward", do you mean it shifts your CG forward due to forward lean, or relative heel height? Have you measured how high your heel/toe are on both set ups to see if there is a difference? That would at least determine how much of a shim you need. I know on the Freedom NTN the heel is a few MM's lower and that does reduce the effect you describe.

Try adjusting your boot one notch more upright, if possible (it is on Scarpa and Crispi, IDK about Scott) first. That will have close to the same effect as shimming or replacing a heel piece. And it's free. If that doesn't help, either of the other options are worth trying.

[tigerstripe40]

Glad to hear you're making progress.

By "pushing you forward", do you mean it shifts your CG forward due to forward lean, or relative heel height? Have you measured how high your heel/toe are on both set ups to see if there is a difference? That would at least determine how much of a shim you need. I know on the Freedom NTN the heel is a few MM's lower and that does reduce the effect you describe.

Try adjusting your boot one notch more upright, if possible (it is on Scarpa and Crispi, IDK about Scott) first. That will have close to the same effect as shimming or replacing a heel piece. And it's free. If that doesn't help, either of the other options are worth trying.

Shifts my CG forward due to forward lean, though I think the heel pieces are a little taller than the hammer head heel pieces. The forward shift wears my quads out too quickly. On my 75mm I was able to ski for 8 hours on Tuesday, but yesterday on the NTN stuff, I was only able to ski for 3 hours. I feel like I have a more stable platform with the 75mm stuff that I am confident on. With the NTN, the skis feel really squirrely (and it's literally the exact same skis, I had them drilled and inserted so I could swap between the OutlawX and Hammerheads). I have the Outlaws set on '1' where my hammerheads were set on '4'. I am wondering if perhaps I have the Outlaws set too neutral. Next time I ski the setup I'll set them at '3' and see how those feel.

I might try the hammerhead heel piece in conjunction with the Outlaw.

Scott only has 'Walk' or 'Ski'. No adjustments are possible, unless I drill the back strap to put another hole in it. I just skied the boots in 'walk' mode.

[Antonio]

I wouldn't get boots too long in an attempt to get more volume. Once the liner packs out, and it will, your foot will be sliding around front to back. If you decide to go with the Scarpa, and the problem is too much pressure from the instep, I believe your boot fitter can get a longer instep cable from Scarpa. That may help relieve some pressure in that area. The second buckle down on the cuff also controls pressure in that area. If it is too tight even with the latch moved to the outer most hole, all you need to do is drill a hole further out and remount the buckle latch.