Scarpa T4 sizing

[fisheater]

I have the older version. It’s been more than a few years since the newer version came out. It is lighter. However I made a mistake a ruined my original liners. Now I have some Intuition Logan liners, and my older versions are lighter now too!
If it fits, ski it. Good luck!

[Lhartley]

Here's the model I have and their corresponding liner. I can't comment much more than that.

[wabene]

I have the older version. It’s been more than a few years since the newer version came out. It is lighter. However I made a mistake a ruined my original liners. Now I have some Intuition Logan liners, and my older versions are lighter now too!
If it fits, ski it. Good luck!

Thanks for that I think you may be right. The extra weight is hard to condone when Scarpa finally may have come out with a new TX PRO at a similar weight, gah! You know sometimes I imagine a world where I don't have to source gear sight unseen from across the globe and could just saunter into the local ski shop and check this stuff out in person. Ah well, I do feel fortunate to have the health and resources to pursue this obscure activity!

[wabene]

As a follow up the weight difference is all in the liner. The 29.5 shell weighs 1275 grams and the 28.5 weighs 1237. The Intuition liner for the 29.5 weighs 285 grams and the unbranded liner in the older boot weighs 425 grams. So the newer boots redesigned buckles apparently don't make a difference in weight. The heavier liner in the older boot is more comfortable with softer materials.

There is an Adventure Nordique video from 7 years ago with the newer version in it. I then could assume this new old stock boot I got is at least 8 years old. Is that something I should consider for the long term durability of this boot?

[fisheater]

Mine are over 10 years old. My new, old stock, F-1 are over 10 years old, my Ski March are over ten years old. Me personally, I wouldn’t worry about it.
That is not a scientific answer. Maybe old stuff likes me???
Good luck in whatever you choose.

[wabene]

Mine are over 10 years old. My new, old stock, F-1 are over 10 years old, my Ski March are over ten years old. Me personally, I wouldn’t worry about it.
That is not a scientific answer. Maybe old stuff likes me???
Good luck in whatever you choose.

Ha ha, ya I think old stuff likes me too. F-1 eh? Are transiting to a new rig?

[tkarhu]

The heavier liner in the older boot is more comfortable with softer materials.

Based on what I have tried to fit the same model of boots, I think thermomoldable liners actually should feel uncomfortable before molding them. In the sense that your boots / liners should feel uncomfortably tight at that stage. If you just get your feet inside, you should be good.

On the other hand, if your boot-liner combo is uncomfortable because they feel loose, thermomolding the liners probably makes this just worse. Or maybe you can add some material to fix such issues, for example Palau sells thermomoldable cell foam.

[Sloth Monster]

I called a backcountry tour outfit, they told me for the Adirontack to size somewhat up. Does that sound OK?
I measured my foot, I'm 27.5, and I was able to get ahould of size 28, nonmolded. Using the finger guide, if I really tightened the buckles, the shell would fit correctly.
Other than that, I realistically have no place to try on different sizes.
Will that work, I would use this for xcd. I think in the adirondacks there are more K&G and rolling trails than legit tele turn areas.
Someone gave me some sport fitting T2s when the downhills get serious!

[phoenix]

Sloth, not sure what you're asking. If you're talking about T2's, 27.5 and 28 will be the same shell. Is that what you mean by a shop telling you to size up? I don't know of any reason to deliberately get a bigger size than usual for skiing the Adirondacks ( I lived there for 20 years). Sure there are some rolling trails, but alot of really superb tours with challenging downhills on narrow hiking trails. I don't call those tele terrain, it's whatever works for you free heeling at it's best. Depends what you're after though, there's six million acres inside the Blue Line, so lots of options from gentle touring to skiing the slides on many of the peaks.

As far as answering your questions, all I can say without understanding more clearly is: use those T2's if they fit correctly.

[Sloth Monster]

Sloth, not sure what you're asking. If you're talking about T2's, 27.5 and 28 will be the same shell. Is that what you mean by a shop telling you to size up? I don't know of any reason to deliberately get a bigger size than usual for skiing the Adirondacks ( I lived there for 20 years). Sure there are some rolling trails, but alot of really superb tours with challenging downhills on narrow hiking trails. I don't call those tele terrain, it's whatever works for you free heeling at it's best. Depends what you're after though, there's six million acres inside the Blue Line, so lots of options from gentle touring to skiing the slides on many of the peaks.

As far as answering your questions, all I can say without understanding more clearly is: use those T2's if they fit correctly.

I wasn't clear-I got ahold of new T4s that are 28, and my measured foot is 27.5.
It wasn't a shop's recommendation, it was one of the backcountry touring guide outfits. He recommended a 28 if my foot measured 27.5. Will liners shrink somewhat from heat molding?
Otherwise, the closest shop is the Mountaineer-too far to go to from my area in NY.
Those slides look like fun but I'd mostly be touring. I hiked Benny's brook/slide, that looks like fun to ski.
I already got used T2s from a fellow forum member.