Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by rongon » Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:35 pm

phoenix wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:19 pm
"BTW I plan on heading your way in February. Avalanche Pass ski trail is on the list."

Good choice, that tour is not to be missed, still my single favorite tour. First skied it in the 80's. And if you happen to have the time and inclination, Marcy is one hell of a wild and fun down-mountain trail skiing experience.
+1 for sure!

Both are favorites of mine too.

These days on the Avalanche Pass Ski Trail, you see more people in AT setups than you see in XCD setups. The real hard-core Adirondackers ski that trail on skinny skis. I'd say it would be rated 'easy to moderate' for AT or plastic boot telemark, 'advanced-intermediate' for XCD (depending on conditions), 'expert' for skinny skis with touring slipper boots. It's a great tour any way you do it.

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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by fisheater » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:40 pm

Thank you @phoenix
So for Avalanche Pass, I’m thinking Tindan (similar to Objective) and T-4, or would that be more suitable to leather boots and Falketind X (similar to Fischer S-98)?

Marcy, I’m kind of up in the air on. My biggest concern is skiing the equivalent to a 5 Mile zipper line in a 10 foot wide mogul field. Also, are there avalanche advisories for the peak? I’m a Midwesterner, I have no avalanche training.



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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by rongon » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:18 pm

For the Avalanche Pass Ski Trail:

- Something like a Voile Objective/Endeavor and Scarpa T4 boots with 3-pin bindings would suit the Avalanche Pass Ski Trail just fine, in any kind of reasonable conditions (including hard-packed and fast, which it usually is these days).

- It's not a full-on 'downmountain' trail like the Wright Peak Ski Trail, or the Thunderbolt Ski Trail down Mt Greylock in MA or the Bruce Trail off of Mt Mansfield, etc.

- As I mentioned, there are lots of people who ski the Avalanche Pass trail in metal-edged skinny skis like Alpina Discovery, Rossignol BC-65, etc. with NNN or NNN-BC boots. With that kind of a setup you'll do more side-slipping, side-stepping, stemming, etc. than if you gear up with something beefier.

- I used to ski it in my Fischer Rebound skis with HD Mountaineer 3-pin bindings and Asolo Extreme boots, and I would enjoy the heck out it. I talked a friend into skiing it on Madshus Eon w/ 3-pin bindings and Garmont Excursion boots. He had a blast, even with fairly thin cover.


For the Mt Marcy ski tour:

- I've skied Marcy to the summit and back twice. I've skied to Indian Falls and taken the skier bypass trail three more times.

- I've skied it with Voile Vector BC skis, Switchback X2 bindings and Crispi CXP (3-buckle) boots. Climbing skins are recommended, and I'd say mandatory. There are parts that definitely require them, and the trail keep going relentlessly up once it starts climbing, so climbing skins will make for a more enjoyable day. That said, I see a lot of people skiing Marcy in AT setups these days. That's been the trend...

- I would not recommend skiing Marcy with anything less than a good 2 feet of snow depth at 3000 feet elevation. Conditions are everything. - The skier bypass trail has a lot of boulders and pinch points between rocks. Many of those moguls you see are formed around boulders. It's not terribly steep, but it does get narrow. Wait for deeper snow. The tour becomes a lot more enjoyable.

- While you can't simply ignore avalanche warnings, you will stay pretty much out of avalanche danger as long as you stay on the trails, both the hiking trail (Van Hoevenberg Trail) and the ski trail bypassing the hiking trail up high.

- You can usually extrapolate avalanche conditions in the Adirondack High Peaks from the Mt Washington Avalanche Center bulletins. (https://www.mountwashingtonavalanchecenter.org/). If there's high avalanche danger in Tuckerman Ravine and the Gulf of Slides, then there's usually avalanche danger in the alpine zones of the Adirondack High Peaks (including Marcy). You can also ask about conditions at the trailhead, in the ADK High Peaks Information Center (https://adk.org/high-peaks-information-center/). They're very conservative there. If there's known avalanche danger they'll tell you about it, for sure.

- Conditions on the summit can often be windblown and very icy, so definitely bring microspikes or crampons and make sure to practice getting them on and off your ski boots, before you go. You don't want to get to the summit and find that your crampons won't stay on your boots.

- Except for those rare days when conditions are calm and peaceful, you will want to stop and put on your windproof clothing before you break out into the alpine zone. That's usually done down in what they call "Romper Room", which is the first section of trail below treeline.

I hope that helps.



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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by fisheater » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:41 pm

Thank you @rongon !
We will see what happens.



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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by phoenix » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:07 pm

Nice thorough post from rongon, I'll offer just a bit to round out the discussion on the gear for those tours. Avalanche Pass is what I've always considered an intermediate tour, and I never skied it on anything more than a skinny edged ski, and many times with edgeless (thin Epoke's) as well. I could see going with Objectives (or similar) Excursions (T4's) because it's a stll a very light and comfy set up... but I think I'd still go with skinnies and leathers to better enjoy the tour aspect, and the fun of the trail down on them. I have solid alpine skills (started at 2 years old) which make it fun rather than difficult, fisheater I think you do as well. Skiing that trail on anything bigger than skinny skis is a relatively new concept. Never bothered with skins here, just a good stretch of herringbone practice.

Marcy is more difficult for sure, and as I recall a 7.5 mile mile approach to the summit (which is an exposed alpine summit as rongon describes). I wouldn't say I am, or was, a hard core skier, but truth is I never skied Marcy with more than the xcd's either. Sometimes skinned, sometimes not, but yes I'd skin up at the Indian Falls point and would do so these days. The locals rongon refers to mostly felt it was better to go light and not bother with skins for Marcy (from first hand conversatins with some of them) given the length of the tour. Unless you wanted to maximize skiing on the summit dome, which can be wildly variable. Nowadays, not sure if I'd go xcd's or Objectives.

Other sources for conditions info: North Country Public Radio (ncpr.org) has an excellent, comprehensive morning report on backcountry conditions (including avalanche conditions if they exist) given by a knowledgeable source; I enjoy listening to it sometimes though I'm skiing in Vermont these days (miss my Adk years). Sorry I don't know what time that's given, I'll try to take note next time I hear it.The Adk Log, and especially their Welcome Center are right at the base of the peaks and you can give them a call and talk to the folks there as well. The welcome Center, formerly Cascade Touring, is a venerable source for nordic, bc, and tele gear and info.



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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by rongon » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:55 pm

So, I mounted up the skis. All is ready for Monday after tomorrow night's snowstorm.
I mounted the bindings pins-on-balance point. That's actually *forward* of cord center on these skis.
The bindings are the Voile 3-Pin Traverse (10mm risers).
Boots&Skis.jpg
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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by fisheater » Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:19 pm

Nice couple pair of old school leathers. What boots are those? Are the ones with the blue laces the famed Merrill Ultra? Oh well, as long as I’m making stupid guesses based upon lace color, are the yellow ones the Asolo Snowpine?

Very cool, regardless what they are.



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Re: Brand new Fischer Excursion 88 for this year. Mount point? Cord center?

Post by rongon » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:43 pm

The tall ones with the (non-original) leather laces are Merrell Ultra (similar to Asolo Extreme) and the lower ones with blue laces are Merrell Backcountry (similar to Asolo Snowpine).

They're so old that their outsoles will probably come off at some point, but with these boots I just glue them back on with Shoe Goo or Loctite Shoe Glue. I had a pair of Asolo Extreme that I had to repair like that. The reglued soles stayed on for the remaining life of the boots.



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