unprepared terrain and tracks

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Krakus
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Re: unprepared terrain and tracks

Post by Krakus » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 am

mca80 wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:59 pm
Why do you need a ski that both works in tracks and can handle downhill turns?
Family holiday in ski resorts, where there are large networks of tracks, but completely unknown in terms of XCD possibilities... I can't afford to take a few pairs of skis. I intend to use the tracks but I would like to use every opportunity to get off them.
I don't expect miracles when it comes to ski turnability I am aware that there are no universal solutions. The point is that it shouldn't be a ski that you can only go straight on an ungroomed moderate slope.
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Re: unprepared terrain and tracks

Post by randoskier » Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:45 am

Krakus wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:24 am
mca80 wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:59 pm
Why do you need a ski that both works in tracks and can handle downhill turns?
Family holiday in ski resorts, where there is a large network of tracks, but completely unknown in terms of XCD possibilities... I can't afford to take a few pairs of skis. I intend to use the tracks but I would like to use every opportunity to get off them.
I don't expect miracles when it comes to ski turnability I am aware that there are no universal solutions. The point is that it shouldn't be a ski that you can only go straight on an ungroomed moderate slope.
Are you going to the Tatra mountains?

The Fischer Outback 68 fits well enough in the groove. They are groovy baby or as Linc from the Mod Squad would say- "Solid".



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Re: unprepared terrain and tracks

Post by Krakus » Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:09 am

randoskier wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:45 am
Are you going to the Tatra mountains?
This winter even Tatra are miserable. There is some snow in Sudety on Czech side. I have to think about traveling to more distant areas, like Alps.



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Re: unprepared terrain and tracks

Post by randoskier » Tue Feb 04, 2025 8:08 am

Krakus wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:09 am
randoskier wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:45 am
Are you going to the Tatra mountains?
This winter even Tatra are miserable. There is some snow in Sudety on Czech side. I have to think about traveling to more distant areas, like Alps.
No looking so great in the Julian Alps either- this is in Slovenia- https://it.bergfex.com/sommer/bohinjska ... ms/c20031/

It is so warm this year! I was looking at the place I will ski in a few weeks in Norway- it snowed yesterday and today, then tomorrow it goes up 4 degrees above freezing and will rain! So I Iooked further north at Abisko Sweden (200km north of arctic circle) same forecast- 4 degrees C and snow turning to rain. The 21-day forecast is not so great either.

If you need a weather forecast anywhere in the world try yr.no (pronounced ear dot no) the Norwegian national weather service- very accurate and zero commercial interests or ads. I even use it when I am in America. Just type in a place name from anywhere in the world.



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Re: unprepared terrain and tracks

Post by Krakus » Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:28 am

I know yr.no.
23/24 was bad in Europe, but this winter seems even worse.



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Re: unprepared terrain and tracks

Post by Krakus » Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:55 am

What about the Fisher TN66? From what I've read, it seems a lot of people use it. It's rather soft-tipped, and at that width it should fit in tracks. But what about performance in unprepared terrain?



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Re: unprepared terrain and tracks

Post by telerat » Thu Feb 06, 2025 6:15 am

My wife have a pair of old E99, that I think are similar to the current TN66. She loves that ski on ungroomed snow and can do telemark turns in decent conditions. I bought a pair of Ousland three years ago, that is also similar to the TN66, for mixed tours in and out of prepared tracks. Both skis work just fine in prepared tracks, but the tip will scrape the sides of the track a bit and seek out of the tracks in turns, so I would rather have MR48, TN59, S62, Madshus T50/M50 or similar for such use, and have bought some pairs for that use. It depends on how you prioritize track performance versus turning ability on ungroomed terrain.

Several members in my close family now have the Åsnes MR48, both JR, adult and skin versions, We use them with NNN-bindings and combi boots, as well as some on skating boots, and depending on model gives plenty of support. NNN-BC bindings could have been an alternative, but we have xc track skis as well as some skating skis with NNN, so using the same boot is nice. All are happy with the skis in and out of prepared tracks, and also on both firm and soft snow. It's not the best ski for deep snow, but works fine in consolidated snow.

I bought a pair of Fischer Transnordic 59 last year as an alternative to MR48, but mixed up the twin skin and easy skin version last year and have not mounted them yet. It seems they now only comes with integrated skin (twin skin) and without the easy skin attachment. The Spider 62 also looks like a nice alternative with a crown base, but also come without the easy skin attachment if that matters.



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