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T4s are certainly hard to get. Limited availability. You could try on some T2s sometime and extrapolate from there, to order T4s off the internet.
Good advice, thanks. My local shop has T2's. Is their fit similar to the T4?
I'm close to pulling the trigger on a Kom/T4 package. I understand the 30 and 29.5 boots share the same shell. I wear a 46 usually so I'm thinking 30 it is. Seems if it's a little big, instead of the smaller liner just customize the bigger one with thick socks or insoles etc. Your foot would be in the same place in relation to the pin line with that shell either way. Does this make sense?
"I tried myself once, home made toe caps and the oven, and it ended up squeezing the heck out of my toes. Beware."
Understood. Wouldn't be my first rodeo with molding liners. Have done it with an oven in the shop for customers, had shops do it for me, done it myself with home oven and/or the "rice method", with Intuition toe caps and without. Will determine which way I'll go with the next pair I get, when I get them. My personal preference, really, is to not heat them at all and let the natural fit settle in. Intuition acknowledges the ski it out of the box route for some of their liners.
T4s are certainly hard to get. Limited availability. You could try on some T2s sometime and extrapolate from there, to order T4s off the internet.
Good advice, thanks. My local shop has T2's. Is their fit similar to the T4?
I'm close to pulling the trigger on a Kom/T4 package. I understand the 30 and 29.5 boots share the same shell. I wear a 46 usually so I'm thinking 30 it is. Seems if it's a little big, instead of the smaller liner just customize the bigger one with thick socks or insoles etc. Your foot would be in the same place in relation to the pin line with that shell either way. Does this make sense?
Yeah, I have 27.5 Scarpas in T2 and T4, also AT boots, pretty similar. Also done well with 27.5 Nordica and Fischer plastic boots. Not sure about your other question. I think the ski shop boot guys tend to want to put people in the thinner liner for the same shell. Or is it the thicker? I’d just get what fits.
Thanks jalp, that's a solid recommendation; the Pro Tour is one of the liners I was considering. Did you go with Intuition's method (heated dry rice in a sock!), or did you bake 'em?
I've done the rice method in the past with good results but this time I went to a boot fitter. Sure, that cost me a few dollars more but I'm really happy with the results.
Yes, go to a fitter if possible. They have those great toe caps to allow room. I tried myself once, home made toe caps and the oven, and it ended up squeezing the heck out of my toes. Beware.
How?
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As some of you will recall, I've been skiing a pair of Excursions for a few seasons now. Warm comfy boots to be sure, and a suitable flex; however they're just too high volume for me to get a snug fit. Doesn't matter a lot of the time, but it becomes an issue when the snow is more difficult, and my foot's sliding around in the boot. My last resort would be to spring for some high volume Intuition liners, which might (!) improve things.
Tried some T4's on the other day, and they did seem to fit better, and flex better, than I recall they did a few years back when I tried them side by side with the Excursions. Only issue I see with the T4's is that the top of the cuffs seem to "bite" into my shin a bit when flexing forward, and they feel as though the cuff is lower than the Excursion, and have no "power strap", so it feels(in the shop) as though it's hard to get forward pressure thru the cuff.
Open to hearing thoughts and opinions.
I ski both boots... The T4 now comes with a thermo liner; you should be able to eliminate the pressure point...
I had the same issue with Excursion... I bought some C shape sticky foam, from a fitter, and I stick it around the ankle (on the boot, of course). No more problem. The 2 boots are quite different; the T4 is sturdier. In soft snow, even with 88 mm waist ski, I prefer the Excursion. Mine are light, with the original Garmont thermo liner... Which one do you have? https://images.app.goo.gl/QJ7x2uXxabKgJSyy7
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"In soft snow, even with 88 mm waist ski, I prefer the Excursion. Mine are light, with the original Garmont thermo liner... Which one do you have?"
I have the Scott Excursions. Not sure how long Scott was making them, but I think just a couple of years? Mine are probably the last year they were produced. Interesting that you find the T4's sturdier, they did feel not quite as soft as the Excursions when I tried them on, yet they had a nice flex at the bellows. I don't think molding the liner would help with the one pressure point I feel in the T4's, it's in the height of the shell at the shin.
Still debating.
That was due to the liner shrinking down on my toes during the process. Apparently that’s why the toe caps. I made some toe caps myself but they didn’t appear to be adequate.
