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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by paul kalac » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:24 pm

MikeK wrote:Many theorize that telemark died because of cars and lifts (I think I got that straight out of XCD), and I would wholeheartedly agree with that.

It is truly an inferior technique for riding a lift and riding on groomed snow. Alpine developed to ski just those very conditions (although I don't believe it started that way).

I've said it a million times but my whole interest in Telemark came from necessity. Necessity to control Nordic skis in soft snow conditions. I honestly would have never even put any effort into it if I thought I could get by knowing what I did.

I just finished re-reading XCD again to refresh myself for this year, and in the version I have (the first edition), Steve Barnett outlines the necessity of learning the telemark turn for all these same reasons. He also outlines the importance of using the right turn or technique for the snow/terrain conditions... and that isn't always the telemark.

Mike, it brought tears to my eyes that you re-read XCD prior to the ski season. Now that's visionary. Some day the skinny ski tele will be back around with a twist I'm sure. I'm hanging onto my 59 thru 68 tips until then.

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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by MikeK » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:11 pm

Yup - I still read that book. Lots for me to learn in there.



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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by lilcliffy » Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:26 am

TwoDogNight wrote: , I got bored. Kind of like a jam band concert....too much and too long and all the same.....usually.
HA! I am with you on this comparison! I was quickly phished-out...
I LOVE going UP on ski or bike. Yes....it earns the turns and is actually a workout!
YAH!
Truly I found XC skiing as an adult and mostly due to not wanting to drive to the mountains. Taking advantage of local terrain and valuing my time in a hectic life of family, work and self care. The telemark turn, outside of being FUN, simply allows for expansion of terrain previously unusable.

Local woods allows for daily use and having skiing built into my everyday, when conditions allow, rather than a weekend of out of shape alpine or high country BC....which is nice, for sure, but pointless when not specifically conditioned for multiple days of pushing the physical boundaries.

Peace, solitude, sweat, thrill, and the zen all combine for a sweet experience in the woods on snow. It's all about truly varied terrain and the exploration of the local. Daily.
This truly resonates with me man...I feel very fortunate to be able to ski in the woods and hills right from my doorstep.

I live for "wilderness" experiences. Although I do have a bit of a commute to work (50kms one way)- I get to live in a paradise of forest, hills, river and stream valleys, and small fields.

If I could make a living growing food and cutting wood- I would likely never be seen again!
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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by Andinista » Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:38 pm

Telemark in powder is way more fun than alpine on powder, maybe because the softness is enhanced by the freedom of having the feet loose, as opposed to locked down, while still being able to go as fast as you want. That's probably why, I don't really know, but it's just more fun. Then in all other conditions I find myself mostly practicing for the real thing. It's about what you aim for, not a lot of people aim for the extreme stuff where you can't tele as well as alpine, most people aim for what they enjoy the most. Telemarking on icy or groomed snow is not as effective and maybe not as fun as alpine skiing on such conditions, but the few times i switch to alpine for that reason I feel like loosing my time, practicing for conditions that don't call my attention so much. I'd rather choose a less steep run and practice some good carving on teles, just to make a better use of my time..
Now the Meidjo bindings allow both tele and alpine, so you can have it all. I'd go for that, just switch when you need or want.



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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by Lhartley » Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:19 pm

lilcliffy wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:07 pm
Went to my daughter’s badminton tournament this morning- they were two hours behind schedule…So- I spent two hours sitting on a severely uncomfortable bleacher- day dreaming about skiing.

I ended up browsing a “telemark” forum on my phone, and discovered a thread entitled “Drop knee advantages”. The original post asked a meaningful question that is seldom asked- and even more rarely effectively answered: how and why is the telemark useful? And by extension: if the telemark is so difficult to learn, why would you use it instead of alpine turns?

The responses on the forum, from skiers, started with things such as “because it is more fun”; and ended in an endless series of bantering posts. Although many responses did give good excellent examples of where and how the telemark turn is effective; no one seemed to manage to answer this question of why- at least in a fundamental sense.

The more I think about it- this is a very meaningful question. There is of course much talk, discussion, teaching, and learning (and trial and error) about how and where to telemark- and especially what to telemark with. There is rarely much discussion on why to telemark. The “why” seems an important question. Especially when it comes to downhill skiing- Alpine ski technology is much more powerful than Nordic. There- yes, I did say that.

If us Nordic-downhill (i.e. “telemark”) skiers want the ski manufacturers to keep advancing and developing Nordic-downhill technology and equipment, perhaps we need to take some time to attract new skiers to downhill skiing on Nordic equipment. If there is not a large enough consumer base, eventually the manufacturers will stop producing it. And rather than assuming that the question of “why the telemark” is purely either philosophical, or simply matter of personal preference- perhaps we should take it as serious question. Perhaps effectively answering the question of “why”, is a key to the relevance, and the future, of Nordic-downhill technology. After all- if the telemark skier cannot reasonably answer the question “why”- why should we expect other skiers to consider downhill skiing on Nordic equipment?

I here will attempt to give my answer to “why the telemark”, and hopefully stimulate some focused responses and discussion.

Perhaps the best place for me to start is where I personally see the limitations of the telemark turn. Having done much big-mountain skiing on both alpine touring (AT) and telemark equipment; I must say that I personally believe that regardless of skier skill- there is a limit to the downhill performance of a telemark turn. There are things I have personally seen skiers do on extreme terrain and snow, which I believe, can only be done with a locked heel, a rigid boot, and alpine techniques.

My next perspective is that the telemark turn is a downhill technique that was born out of skiing downhill, on essentially xcountry-Nordic equipment.

The origins of Nordic ski technology/technique are truly ancient. The ancient pioneering of Nordic ski technology is purely utilitarian: travel, hunt, trap, herd… Snowshoe technology is even older than Nordic skiing. But the fundamental purpose is still the same- travelling on snow. Nordic skiing takes the efficiency of walking on snow even further than snowshoes, because of the ability to stride and glide. The fundamental essence of Nordic ski technology is still what it was thousands of years ago: attaching the ball of your foot to a ski, so that you can efficiently stride and glide your way around on the snow. Nordic ski technology has been used to travel long distances, hunt, trap, and even herd livestock.

Some of the ancient Nordic ski technologies only remain amongst Aboriginal peoples of Northern Eurasia. For example; Sami hunters used two completely different skis to hunt with a spear or bow- one very long gliding ski, and a second short, traction ski, with a permanent skin. The hunter would glide on one leg, while using the traction ski to “kick”- there was no use of ski poles in this setup. This frees up both hands to allow active use of a weapon such as a spear or bow- while skiing!

It seems clear that ancient Nordic ski technology at some point ran into mountainous terrain. The need to travel through, and on, mountainous terrain caused the evolution of Nordic-downhill skiing techniques.

Alpine ski technology is not ancient. It was developed in the Alps (about a hundred years ago) for a different purpose than Nordic skiing. Alpine ski technology was not developed to travel on snow. Alpine skiing was developed to powerfully and efficiently ski down mountains. Even “Alpine Touring” (AT) equipment is primarily designed to climb up mountains- in order to ski back down them. Alpine skiing was developed for recreation and high-performance sport. Nordic skiing was developed to travel and get work done.

The term “telemark turn” comes from the mountainous region of Norway with the same name. Legendary skiers, such as Sondre Norheim (from Telemark, Norway), pioneered modern Nordic-downhill technology and technique. The fact that Fennoscandians associate mountain-Nordic skiing technique with Norway is no accident- western Norway is extremely mountainous. But, Nordic downhill skiing techniques (e.g. the telemark turn) were developed at a time in history when skiers were still primarily using skis to travel, and just “get shit done”. Downhill skiing on Nordic ski tech was not invented in Telemark Norway. Humans have been using Nordic ski technology to travel in the mountains for thousands of years- they still are.

So- my basic argument is based on the fact that the telemark turn has its origins in downhill skiing on Nordic skis. In other words- the “telemark” was developed to turn xcountry skis.

The advancement and development of both Nordic and Alpine skiing technology has been dominated by recreation and high-performance sport over the last century (Sondre Norheim himself was a world-class xcountry racer, downhill racer, and ski jumper). This has led to such extremes as high-performance Nordic ski equipment that can only be effectively used on a perfectly groomed track; to big-mountain equipment that is designed to safely and powerfully ski down extreme slopes. High-performance big-mountain, Nordic (i.e. “telemark”) equipment has become so rigid and powerful that it approaches what can be done on Alpine equipment.

But regardless of the extreme downhill skiing that can be done on modern telemark equipment- I stand by my first statement: it pales in comparison to the extreme downhill skiing that can be done on Alpine equipment. Yes- I said it again...

Add to it this simple fact- no matter how much a master can make it look and sound easy- the telemark turn is damn hard to learn- especially on light, traditional Nordic ski technology.

So- this leads me back to my original question- why the telemark?

The purely utilitarian answer is no different than it was thousands of years ago: to travel long distances in mountainous terrain. OR- in other words- to xcountry ski in the mountains.

Big-mountain telemark equipment along with Alpine equipment may make downhill skiing extremely efficient- but- rigid, powerful big-mountain ski equipment is not efficient at traveling long distances.

Efficient long distance travel on snow is all about the Nordic stride (i.e. “diagonal stride”): the action of pushing down with one leg for traction, while lunging forward on the alternate leg in order to glide. An efficient Nordic stride blows all other forms of manual-xcountry travel away. An efficient Nordic stride requires some key elements:
• A Nordic binding: attached at the toe/ball of foot- allowing the full extension of the foot, when striding- with enough resistance to translate foot/boot flex into downward grip (i.e. “kick”)
• Flexibility of the instep. The foot/boot must be able to freely flex for efficient “kick”, stride and glide.

Rigid big-mountain ski equipment is simply too rigid to enable efficient Nordic striding. One cannot have it all.

Here is another fundamental perspective that I have: I believe that the original “telemark” turn was simply a modified Nordic stride. Like the Nordic stride; the original telemark turn was initiated with the same weight shifted onto the trailing ski. Unlike the Nordic stride, the leading ski was placed and forced into a carved turn, as the rear knee dropped, and weight was evenly distributed between both leading and trailing skis. The diagonal stride becomes the telemark turn.

Alpine ski technology allows the skier to effectively steer skis. This cannot be done on traditional Nordic equipment- except in the most ideal conditions- the boots and bindings are simply not rigid and powerful enough. The original telemark technique allows a skier to stride through turns, on light, flexible equipment.

So from a purely utilitarian perspective: if you are long-distance touring, the telemark allows the skier to stride through downhill turns on light, flexible equipment, which enables efficient xcountry Nordic striding. This is the essence of the “why” for me. I am a long-distance tourer- even in mountainous terrain. I personally need the telemark turn in order to effectively and consistently turn my long, glide-oriented skis, with light, flexible boots/bindings.

(I am also a serious geek for feeling in touch with ancient culture and tech. Knowing that humans have been Nordic skiing for thousands of years just does it for me!)

On the other hand, if I was simply climbing mountains to aggressively ski back down them…I would be hard-pressed to argue that the telemark is the way to go- except for the fact that it does feel so damn good! Like many have already said- perhaps “fun” is enough of a personal reason” why” to use the telemark. But I am not so certain that fun is enough of a reason to convince skiers to use Nordic rather than Alpine tech to downhill ski…

Why do you use the telemark? Why is it important? Why do we need the telemark?

"My next perspective is that the telemark turn is a downhill technique that was born out of skiing downhill, on essentially xcountry-Nordic equipment".

"So- my basic argument is based on the fact that the telemark turn has its origins in downhill skiing on Nordic skis. In other words- the “telemark” was developed to turn xcountry skis."


Uh oh. Conflicting narratives! So the telemark turn wasn't born on heavy ski jumping gear?

This was a very interesting post btw

"The purely utilitarian answer is no different than it was thousands of years ago: to travel long distances in mountainous terrain. OR- in other words- to xcountry ski in the mountains."

"Big-mountain telemark equipment along with Alpine equipment may make downhill skiing extremely efficient- but- rigid, powerful big-mountain ski equipment is not efficient at traveling long distances".

Are we not drifting away from the purpose if the focus of our skiing is to be highly skilled on hypervectors and switchbacks and plastic? Has so much changed in the ten years since 2015?

"Here is another fundamental perspective that I have: I believe that the original “telemark” turn was simply a modified Nordic stride. Like the Nordic stride; the original telemark turn was initiated with the same weight shifted onto the trailing ski. Unlike the Nordic stride, the leading ski was placed and forced into a carved turn, as the rear knee dropped, and weight was evenly distributed between both leading and trailing skis. The diagonal stride becomes the telemark turn."

Theres not much evidence that many are developing past the nordic stride stage on light gear. If heavy gear does make a good telemarker, why isn't it making great telemarkers on light gear?
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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by lowangle al » Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:04 pm

Lhartley wrote:
Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:19 pm
lilcliffy wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:07 pm
Went to my daughter’s badminton tournament this morning- they were two hours behind schedule…So- I spent two hours sitting on a severely uncomfortable bleacher- day dreaming about skiing.

I ended up browsing a “telemark” forum on my phone, and discovered a thread entitled “Drop knee advantages”. The original post asked a meaningful question that is seldom asked- and even more rarely effectively answered: how and why is the telemark useful? And by extension: if the telemark is so difficult to learn, why would you use it instead of alpine turns?

The responses on the forum, from skiers, started with things such as “because it is more fun”; and ended in an endless series of bantering posts. Although many responses did give good excellent examples of where and how the telemark turn is effective; no one seemed to manage to answer this question of why- at least in a fundamental sense.

The more I think about it- this is a very meaningful question. There is of course much talk, discussion, teaching, and learning (and trial and error) about how and where to telemark- and especially what to telemark with. There is rarely much discussion on why to telemark. The “why” seems an important question. Especially when it comes to downhill skiing- Alpine ski technology is much more powerful than Nordic. There- yes, I did say that.

If us Nordic-downhill (i.e. “telemark”) skiers want the ski manufacturers to keep advancing and developing Nordic-downhill technology and equipment, perhaps we need to take some time to attract new skiers to downhill skiing on Nordic equipment. If there is not a large enough consumer base, eventually the manufacturers will stop producing it. And rather than assuming that the question of “why the telemark” is purely either philosophical, or simply matter of personal preference- perhaps we should take it as serious question. Perhaps effectively answering the question of “why”, is a key to the relevance, and the future, of Nordic-downhill technology. After all- if the telemark skier cannot reasonably answer the question “why”- why should we expect other skiers to consider downhill skiing on Nordic equipment?

I here will attempt to give my answer to “why the telemark”, and hopefully stimulate some focused responses and discussion.

Perhaps the best place for me to start is where I personally see the limitations of the telemark turn. Having done much big-mountain skiing on both alpine touring (AT) and telemark equipment; I must say that I personally believe that regardless of skier skill- there is a limit to the downhill performance of a telemark turn. There are things I have personally seen skiers do on extreme terrain and snow, which I believe, can only be done with a locked heel, a rigid boot, and alpine techniques.

My next perspective is that the telemark turn is a downhill technique that was born out of skiing downhill, on essentially xcountry-Nordic equipment.

The origins of Nordic ski technology/technique are truly ancient. The ancient pioneering of Nordic ski technology is purely utilitarian: travel, hunt, trap, herd… Snowshoe technology is even older than Nordic skiing. But the fundamental purpose is still the same- travelling on snow. Nordic skiing takes the efficiency of walking on snow even further than snowshoes, because of the ability to stride and glide. The fundamental essence of Nordic ski technology is still what it was thousands of years ago: attaching the ball of your foot to a ski, so that you can efficiently stride and glide your way around on the snow. Nordic ski technology has been used to travel long distances, hunt, trap, and even herd livestock.

Some of the ancient Nordic ski technologies only remain amongst Aboriginal peoples of Northern Eurasia. For example; Sami hunters used two completely different skis to hunt with a spear or bow- one very long gliding ski, and a second short, traction ski, with a permanent skin. The hunter would glide on one leg, while using the traction ski to “kick”- there was no use of ski poles in this setup. This frees up both hands to allow active use of a weapon such as a spear or bow- while skiing!

It seems clear that ancient Nordic ski technology at some point ran into mountainous terrain. The need to travel through, and on, mountainous terrain caused the evolution of Nordic-downhill skiing techniques.

Alpine ski technology is not ancient. It was developed in the Alps (about a hundred years ago) for a different purpose than Nordic skiing. Alpine ski technology was not developed to travel on snow. Alpine skiing was developed to powerfully and efficiently ski down mountains. Even “Alpine Touring” (AT) equipment is primarily designed to climb up mountains- in order to ski back down them. Alpine skiing was developed for recreation and high-performance sport. Nordic skiing was developed to travel and get work done.

The term “telemark turn” comes from the mountainous region of Norway with the same name. Legendary skiers, such as Sondre Norheim (from Telemark, Norway), pioneered modern Nordic-downhill technology and technique. The fact that Fennoscandians associate mountain-Nordic skiing technique with Norway is no accident- western Norway is extremely mountainous. But, Nordic downhill skiing techniques (e.g. the telemark turn) were developed at a time in history when skiers were still primarily using skis to travel, and just “get shit done”. Downhill skiing on Nordic ski tech was not invented in Telemark Norway. Humans have been using Nordic ski technology to travel in the mountains for thousands of years- they still are.

So- my basic argument is based on the fact that the telemark turn has its origins in downhill skiing on Nordic skis. In other words- the “telemark” was developed to turn xcountry skis.

The advancement and development of both Nordic and Alpine skiing technology has been dominated by recreation and high-performance sport over the last century (Sondre Norheim himself was a world-class xcountry racer, downhill racer, and ski jumper). This has led to such extremes as high-performance Nordic ski equipment that can only be effectively used on a perfectly groomed track; to big-mountain equipment that is designed to safely and powerfully ski down extreme slopes. High-performance big-mountain, Nordic (i.e. “telemark”) equipment has become so rigid and powerful that it approaches what can be done on Alpine equipment.

But regardless of the extreme downhill skiing that can be done on modern telemark equipment- I stand by my first statement: it pales in comparison to the extreme downhill skiing that can be done on Alpine equipment. Yes- I said it again...

Add to it this simple fact- no matter how much a master can make it look and sound easy- the telemark turn is damn hard to learn- especially on light, traditional Nordic ski technology.

So- this leads me back to my original question- why the telemark?

The purely utilitarian answer is no different than it was thousands of years ago: to travel long distances in mountainous terrain. OR- in other words- to xcountry ski in the mountains.

Big-mountain telemark equipment along with Alpine equipment may make downhill skiing extremely efficient- but- rigid, powerful big-mountain ski equipment is not efficient at traveling long distances.

Efficient long distance travel on snow is all about the Nordic stride (i.e. “diagonal stride”): the action of pushing down with one leg for traction, while lunging forward on the alternate leg in order to glide. An efficient Nordic stride blows all other forms of manual-xcountry travel away. An efficient Nordic stride requires some key elements:
• A Nordic binding: attached at the toe/ball of foot- allowing the full extension of the foot, when striding- with enough resistance to translate foot/boot flex into downward grip (i.e. “kick”)
• Flexibility of the instep. The foot/boot must be able to freely flex for efficient “kick”, stride and glide.

Rigid big-mountain ski equipment is simply too rigid to enable efficient Nordic striding. One cannot have it all.

Here is another fundamental perspective that I have: I believe that the original “telemark” turn was simply a modified Nordic stride. Like the Nordic stride; the original telemark turn was initiated with the same weight shifted onto the trailing ski. Unlike the Nordic stride, the leading ski was placed and forced into a carved turn, as the rear knee dropped, and weight was evenly distributed between both leading and trailing skis. The diagonal stride becomes the telemark turn.

Alpine ski technology allows the skier to effectively steer skis. This cannot be done on traditional Nordic equipment- except in the most ideal conditions- the boots and bindings are simply not rigid and powerful enough. The original telemark technique allows a skier to stride through turns, on light, flexible equipment.

So from a purely utilitarian perspective: if you are long-distance touring, the telemark allows the skier to stride through downhill turns on light, flexible equipment, which enables efficient xcountry Nordic striding. This is the essence of the “why” for me. I am a long-distance tourer- even in mountainous terrain. I personally need the telemark turn in order to effectively and consistently turn my long, glide-oriented skis, with light, flexible boots/bindings.

(I am also a serious geek for feeling in touch with ancient culture and tech. Knowing that humans have been Nordic skiing for thousands of years just does it for me!)

On the other hand, if I was simply climbing mountains to aggressively ski back down them…I would be hard-pressed to argue that the telemark is the way to go- except for the fact that it does feel so damn good! Like many have already said- perhaps “fun” is enough of a personal reason” why” to use the telemark. But I am not so certain that fun is enough of a reason to convince skiers to use Nordic rather than Alpine tech to downhill ski…

Why do you use the telemark? Why is it important? Why do we need the telemark?

"My next perspective is that the telemark turn is a downhill technique that was born out of skiing downhill, on essentially xcountry-Nordic equipment".

"So- my basic argument is based on the fact that the telemark turn has its origins in downhill skiing on Nordic skis. In other words- the “telemark” was developed to turn xcountry skis."


Uh oh. Conflicting narratives! So the telemark turn wasn't born on heavy ski jumping gear?

This was a very interesting post btw

"The purely utilitarian answer is no different than it was thousands of years ago: to travel long distances in mountainous terrain. OR- in other words- to xcountry ski in the mountains."

"Big-mountain telemark equipment along with Alpine equipment may make downhill skiing extremely efficient- but- rigid, powerful big-mountain ski equipment is not efficient at traveling long distances".

Are we not drifting away from the purpose if the focus of our skiing is to be highly skilled on hypervectors and switchbacks and plastic? Has so much changed in the ten years since 2015?

"Here is another fundamental perspective that I have: I believe that the original “telemark” turn was simply a modified Nordic stride. Like the Nordic stride; the original telemark turn was initiated with the same weight shifted onto the trailing ski. Unlike the Nordic stride, the leading ski was placed and forced into a carved turn, as the rear knee dropped, and weight was evenly distributed between both leading and trailing skis. The diagonal stride becomes the telemark turn."

Theres not much evidence that many are developing past the nordic stride stage on light gear. If heavy gear does make a good telemarker, why isn't it making great telemarkers on light gear?
Don't forget that the T turn goes back to the mid 1800s. I doubt that there was any special jumping gear, people just had skis. Sondre Nordheim not only developed the technique to turn skis, he also was supposedly the first to make skis with sidecut. I also think that he was the first to promote the idea of making turns for fun. (recreational skiing)

I'm not sure the turn came out of the stride. I think it came out of initiating a turn from a wedge and the fore/aft stance was just for stability.

The reason folks today don't become good tele skiers on light gear is that they don't put in the time. Most people buying the gear just want to xc ski in the back country. There are a few out there, like yourself, that want to master light gear, but it's not like back in the day when light gear was the only gear available and everyone wanted to make turns. Back in the day people would gather in little meadows near a trailhead and practice. Today the meadows are still there, but nobody is practicing. I've said this before that the "light" tele gear of the eighties was more DH oriented than any of the XCD gear today.



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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by Lhartley » Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:28 pm

Yup, agreed on all that. I just find all the conflicting opinions fascinating. And a massive gap between nordic touring and alpine telemark touring forming by discouraging light gear telemarking. A loss to me, what's the point of having every single ski with a dead Norwegian on it but not turning them.

Idk, I also really miss trucks being offered with manual transmissions
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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by DG99 » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:21 pm

Ooh zombie thread!

I do think the word is tele turns evolved out of Sondre Nordheim’s experiments. Didn’t 19th century skiing generally involve big wide long wooden skis, touring across mountains, and not much turning? They used to have ski tournaments of just bombing straight down hills. AFAIK.

Why telemark?

I’d say practically speaking it’s a really great way to go on lower angle and mixed backcountry terrain, especially deeper snow conditions. I’m generally talking plastic boots and wide skis. A lot of XC type gear is just too skinny to tackle the conditions and doesn’t turn well. AT gear is too confining, being more suited to a steeper uphill/downhill scenario. I have often missed my tele gear and tele turning when trying AT on lower angle and mixed conditions; it’s harder to transition and harder to set up an initial turn.

Otherwise it’s just a fun alternate challenge that some people like and can be a good way to slow yourself down while skiing with someone who’s a slower skier.



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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by JohnSKepler » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:40 pm

I ‘started’ because my engineering knowledge of structures told me it was safer. I stayed because I could never go back.

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Re: Why the telemark?

Post by tkarhu » Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:35 pm

lowangle al wrote:
Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:04 pm
the T turn goes back to the mid 1800s. I doubt that there was any special jumping gear, people just had skis. Sondre Nordheim not only developed the technique to turn skis, he also was supposedly the first to make skis with sidecut. I also think that he was the first to promote the idea of making turns for fun. (recreational skiing)
The above description seems accurate based on documented history.

One interesting fact to add, Norheim used heel bindings at the race where he introduced telemark and parallel turns. By contrast, other competitors skied toe bindings. Looks like tech development has been at the core of downhill skiing since its very beginning… And that downhill skiing was for fun in the early days.



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