lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

[TallGrass]

Interesting, but there's a reason human babies walk before they talk. We are imitative. See what that guy does in the GIF? Do that!

True about babies, but learning how to DO, not learning how to DESCRIBE (accurately) nor learning how to TEACH/PROGRAM. Of the various ways to learn something, where you put "mimicry"? (Programs, robots can mimic.) And what others can you think of?

What if someone mimics (or apes) the wrong example, or the example wrong? (Like turning downhill and bringing skis even mid-turn as you're pointed straight downhill and switching the lead foot and expecting to CONTINUE turning the same direction??? Then how do you switch directions?)

I've also heard there are those who can operate a tool, build a tool, craft a tool, and design a tool -- abilities of different levels.

Engineers learn this all the time, like they "walk" to work but have far more difficulty "programming a robot" to walk.

Likewise there are those that teach humans how to do things (like skiing) that go on gut and feeling rather than empirical data, which along with other factors is what separates science from pseudo-science. From what I gather from the OP, the book he has is the latter (P-S) at least in this respect which should call the rest into greater question.

Again, if the OP (BFB) isn't going to participate in his own thread, should we?

[Montana St Alum]

Interesting, but there's a reason human babies walk before they talk. We are imitative. See what that guy does in the GIF? Do that!

What if someone mimics (or apes) the wrong example, or the example wrong? (Like turning downhill and bringing skis even mid-turn as you're pointed straight downhill and switching the lead foot and expecting to CONTINUE turning the same direction??? Then how do you switch directions?)

Imitate guys who can ski well, ignore those who can't.
It's not NEARLY that hard!
There's nothing wrong with analyzing the daylights out of it, for entertainment purposes. It's just entirely unnecessary.

[TallGrass]

There's nothing wrong with analyzing the daylights out of it, for entertainment purposes.

How would you, MSU, handle this: Adam tells you do something X way, and Bob tells you it is done Y way, and both X and Y can not both be right as they are contradictory. How do you figure out which one (if either) is correct?

Some look at logic puzzles as work, others fun. For me it's the latter, like the Sunday crossword.

[Montana St Alum]

There's nothing wrong with analyzing the daylights out of it, for entertainment purposes.

How would you, MSU, handle this: Adam tells you do something X way, and Bob tells you it is done Y way, and both X and Y can not both be right as they are contradictory. How do you figure out which one (if either) is correct?

Some look at logic puzzles as work, others fun. For me it's the latter, like the Sunday crossword.

Ignore them both. Do what that guy in the GIF does. Do you really need to be walked through this?

Like I said. This is how I do lead changes. I never took a lesson and never read up on the steps involved. I saw what I wanted to do. I knew what I wanted to do. I did it.

If I had depended on a written description of every step, I'd still be trying to put my skis on.

[TallGrass]

Do you really need to be walked through this?

Am I the one who started this thread?

Am I providing Q or A?

[Montana St Alum]

Do you really need to be walked through this?

Am I the one who started this thread?

Am I providing Q or A?

Well, it certainly is a bizarre thread.

[Lo-Fi]

... Do what that guy in the GIF does.

Nice turns! Do what the guy in the video, who says do what the guy in the GIF does, does!!!

Steeps, moguls, hop, jump, and quick turns are times when the skis can come up even, nearer to parallel with, or even across, the fall line:

GIF gif telemark hop turns

(GIF’d from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI9XWuhP9O8)

GIF gif telemark steeps

(GIF’d from:)

[Montana St Alum]

Nice turns! Do what the guy in the video, who says do what the guy in the GIF does, does!!!

Hah, pretty funny.

[Stephen]

@Montana St Alum, that could be your new tagline!
Vidi. Scivi. Feci.

[blue_footed_boobie]

Awesome responses everyone. Wow. Thank you. Except the random fight that broke out. I didn’t think anyone would actually answer, so I gave it a while before I logged back in.

After posting, I purchased Allen and Mike’s telemark tips, and their “patience turn” tip really explained it for me.
-You just release your edges & let your skis find the fall line. When you’re in the fall line, drop down and edge.

I had thought that the telemark turn MUST be done by dropping into the telemark position. In other words, I thought the stance made the turn. Turns out, just like alpine, you steer with your knees and hips and upper body positioning and through edge control. If you wanted to, you could turn right or left with the left foot back and vice versa. (That’s not a launching point for more discussion, just an observation).

I will definitely need to get out there more to figure out all the advice. Unless it’s terrible breakable crust. Hopefully reasonable conditions. But you never know if it’s reasonable until you go.