Advice on new skis
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Yep I agree but the Voss was only $32 new, I couldn't pass that up. I am still looking for a mid width ski for downhills/touring.
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MikeK
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Well I guess you can't beat that!
Hope you got a good deal on the Glitts!
Hope you got a good deal on the Glitts!
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Yep good deal on both, but the Voss was crazy good.
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Looking at the Madshus Epoch??? to round out my quiver. I have the XC/light touring covered. Need a touring/turning ski. Yes-No-Maybe???
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Also considering the S bound 88 last years model. Epoch or S Bound 88 ???
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MikeK
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The Epoch should provide more turning ability - more sidecut - 31mm on the Epoch, 20mm on the S88.
I don't know a ton about the 88, but the specs show it is just a wider version of the 78 i.e. same sidecut profile, just widened throughout.
The S bound series, IMO, certainly has better scales as I've said over and over. You'd want to consider a S Bound 98 to compete with the Epoch. In which case, I'd choose the S Bound 98 (I have both). If you can get a better deal on the Epoch and a size you want as opposed to the S98, I wouldn't hesitate to get it.
The S112 is another to consider. It's like the S78 to the S88 - same sidecut, just wider. If you can find a good deal, it would a good ski. The Annum, OTOH, is really kind of a different ski. It's similar specs, but really it has almost no camber and a super soft flex all around. I assume this would work great in deep pow, but I didn't find it to be for me. A ski that is that soft and has that little camber I'm much more interested in the newer stuff - Voile Objective, Altai KOM, etc which have modern early rise rocker as opposed to all these other skis which have a traditional Nordic rocker.
I don't know a ton about the 88, but the specs show it is just a wider version of the 78 i.e. same sidecut profile, just widened throughout.
The S bound series, IMO, certainly has better scales as I've said over and over. You'd want to consider a S Bound 98 to compete with the Epoch. In which case, I'd choose the S Bound 98 (I have both). If you can get a better deal on the Epoch and a size you want as opposed to the S98, I wouldn't hesitate to get it.
The S112 is another to consider. It's like the S78 to the S88 - same sidecut, just wider. If you can find a good deal, it would a good ski. The Annum, OTOH, is really kind of a different ski. It's similar specs, but really it has almost no camber and a super soft flex all around. I assume this would work great in deep pow, but I didn't find it to be for me. A ski that is that soft and has that little camber I'm much more interested in the newer stuff - Voile Objective, Altai KOM, etc which have modern early rise rocker as opposed to all these other skis which have a traditional Nordic rocker.
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Woodserson
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Re: Advice on new skis
I have the S-Bound 98 and 88. The 98 is obviously more turny and my friend loves it, but the 88 is a lot of fun too. I may get rid of it since I have the 98, but it works great on a local trail network where there's a bunch of variable terrain (flat and uphill and then some down) and the trail is tight. It's just a fun ski with the same waist as the 98, so you have to ask, do you want slightly straighter, or turnier? Your call between the two.
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MikeK
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Good info Woods.
I'd shoot him toward the skis with more sidecut seen as how he bought the Voss and Glittertind already. It will give him more of a spread in the quiver. But again, it's up to you and what you are after... and how much you are willing to spend.
I find the skis with 30mm of cut almost effortless to turn. The ones with 20mm do turn, but it's a lot more labored. 10mm you're into a zone where you really have to force the ski and with a lot of camber, pounce on it to get it to do anything. Less than that you are just twisting and skidding or pouncing and hoping the ski bends.
Waist doesn't mean a lot to me. I'd almost always go for the smaller of the two given same sidecut. Less weight, higher L/W = better glide, and less leverage to edge it. On the other end you get less traction and less flotation.
Our snow tends to be on the dense end of the spectrum, so I error to the side of narrow. If you have bottomless, dry pow, you might think otherwise.
As a general note, skinnier skis tend to be designed with stiffer, larger cambers and wider ones with softer, smaller ones. It's not set in stone, but it's generally what you want. The narrower skis are more in tune with flatter touring and the wider ones with climbing and descending.
I'd shoot him toward the skis with more sidecut seen as how he bought the Voss and Glittertind already. It will give him more of a spread in the quiver. But again, it's up to you and what you are after... and how much you are willing to spend.
I find the skis with 30mm of cut almost effortless to turn. The ones with 20mm do turn, but it's a lot more labored. 10mm you're into a zone where you really have to force the ski and with a lot of camber, pounce on it to get it to do anything. Less than that you are just twisting and skidding or pouncing and hoping the ski bends.
Waist doesn't mean a lot to me. I'd almost always go for the smaller of the two given same sidecut. Less weight, higher L/W = better glide, and less leverage to edge it. On the other end you get less traction and less flotation.
Our snow tends to be on the dense end of the spectrum, so I error to the side of narrow. If you have bottomless, dry pow, you might think otherwise.
As a general note, skinnier skis tend to be designed with stiffer, larger cambers and wider ones with softer, smaller ones. It's not set in stone, but it's generally what you want. The narrower skis are more in tune with flatter touring and the wider ones with climbing and descending.