A few inch difference in the stance doesn't matter at all. It is the philosophy or the spirit, which Steve and many of us here are sharing, that matters. However, we don't have to be serious thinkers at all. Skiing on NNN(SNS)/BC is just fun!Ron wrote:BTW, I don't think SB's Cross country Downhill has THAT much in common with the Japanese XCD..Parts of the book he seems to have eventually disavowed and many of the techniques illustrated show long, spread-out techniques..
Right, while they're away, let's take the lion's share!LJ wrote: But it's ok, it keeps people up in the rocks, away from those nice hills we love... One day, they will discover the truth by themselves... Or not.
I'm sorry, Cima, but I do not think that is correct AT ALL.. At some point, a few inches of differences between being on pins and system gear (maybe not as much the Pilot bindings as the others) is going to be ok for those of us in the Cult of Pins but it's sure to leave those on NNN kissing the snow..There's no equivalent of the bail for NNN skiers to lever against which means eventually ( as the feet spread beyond a point )it's dancing on the toes for NNN. That means the Japanese XCD MUST be technically distinct..CIMA wrote: Ron,
A few inch difference in the stance doesn't matter at all. It is the philosophy or the spirit, which Steve and many of us here are sharing, that matters. However, we don't have to be serious thinkers at all. Skiing on NNN(SNS)/BC is just fun!Ron wrote:BTW, I don't think SB's Cross country Downhill has THAT much in common with the Japanese XCD..Parts of the book he seems to have eventually disavowed and many of the techniques illustrated show long, spread-out techniques..
There is a equivalent my dear friend. And it's called "A perfect telemark skiing technique". We should NEVER rely on boots or bindings to get control. NEVER. Activeness is like a crutch. You never learn anything if you rely on any kind of "support" to do something. You will never learn and you will need that support all your life. It's exactly like biking with training wheels because it's "more stable" and easier to control. It sure is, you're right. But it's lame. The perfect tele skier should be able to turn everywhere using nothing but the perfect technique he mastered over the years.There's no equivalent of the bail for NNN skiers to lever against which means eventually
control of a ski with NNN/SNS it is absolutely necessary to engage the bindings ridge with boot grove. For that, ball of foot must be kept tight on binding platform and heel as low as possible, which requires full use (maximal flexing) of ankle joint and rather tight stance.Johnny, I have a garage full of NNN-mounted XC skis.. I just think it's terribly misleading to suggest to ppl that the NNN or SNS systems are the Holy Grail of XCD..Perfect technique will never be an adequate substitute for very technically limited gear.. It just won't.. That having been said, I remain very interested in the Japanese ultralite XCD technique!!! It can be applied to all other freeheel stuff..LoveJohnny wrote:There is a equivalent my dear friend. And it's called "A perfect telemark skiing technique". We should NEVER rely on boots or bindings to get control. NEVER. Activeness is like a crutch. You never learn anything if you rely on any kind of "support" to do something. You will never learn and you will need that support all your life. It's exactly like biking with training wheels because it's "more stable" and easier to control. It sure is, you're right. But it's lame. The perfect tele skier should be able to turn everywhere using nothing but the perfect technique he mastered over the years.There's no equivalent of the bail for NNN skiers to lever against which means eventually
I've spent so much time meditating about plastics VS leathers. Ball of foot, big toe little toe. It's just a matter of technique. Of course it takes a 1000 times more finesse to control skinnies with zero-activeness bindings and boots. But it's not because something is easier that it's better. QUITE the opposite IMHO.
You should try NTN Raventele. All that stiffness, leverage, activeness and stuff would suddenly belong to the past...
Pins are more "active" than NNN, everybody knows that, there's no need to argue. Does that means it's better than NNN? Not at all. Because that would be as stupid as saying that NTN is better than 75mm.
I had an idea last year of a cool graph to show graphically what is the best tele setup. I should do it right now... Simply said: The lighter you are and the less active you are, the more fun you will have... The greater the sensation will be.
So what if you can't ski down a 70 degree ravine on NNN? Who cares, when the feeling you get from skiing rolling hills almost barefoot is 50 times greater? It seems like this is the exact same speech as the old plastic vs leather debate...
As I always said, it's not the gear that matters, it's the way you handle it...
That's it.LoveJohnny wrote: There is a equivalent my dear friend. And it's called "A perfect telemark skiing technique". We should NEVER rely on boots or bindings to get control. NEVER. Activeness is like a crutch. You never learn anything if you rely on any kind of "support" to do something. You will never learn and you will need that support all your life. It's exactly like biking with training wheels because it's "more stable" and easier to control. It sure is, you're right. But it's lame. The perfect tele skier should be able to turn everywhere using nothing but the perfect technique he mastered over the years.
That's a good point.Krakus wrote:My feelings are that for "succesful"
