I am looking at buying the Madshus Glitterind (last Years Model) I didn't see it in their 2016-2017 line up. This will be used as a out my back door ski with a few turns on some hills. I will be mounting a 3 pin setup with some Alico 75mm boots. I am a strong intermediate skier (XC and Tele) My question is I don't follow Madshus size chart and not Sure what I should get. I am 5'9" and 175 lbs. I was also thinking of maybe going a little shorter than normal to help with turns in tighter places. What would you recommend ?
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Advice on new skis
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MikeK
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Well according to Glen Plake, if you want to stick those big hucks on skinnies, you need 225s.
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With skis like the Glitterinds, and being a similar size to you, I would get them in 200 or even 205's, considering that those skis are best used for touring and XC K+G. I don't think that a little shorter length will help with turning those skis very much, but a longer length would give you a bit more float and track better. Obviously, turning is not the focus of a ski like the Glitts, so I would purchase a size that allows for better touring characteristics vs turning ease.
Last edited by connyro on Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
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MikeK
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Yeah - in all seriousness, I agree. Mine are 200s and I'm 5'-10". My wife is a few inches shorter and she skis them now.
They don't turn all that easy - IMO they are good, forgiving BC XC ski i.e. good for mellow slopes or places you can straight run if need be.
We kind of use skis like this as crossover skis. I ski them in groomed and ungroomed. They aren't ideal for either. They are a bit slow compared to a ski made to ski set tracks and lack float and turning ability in ungroomed snow.
Now that I know more, I kind of prefer a longer, skinnier ski for this kind of skiing. And I kind of prefer a little bit wider, less cambered ski for exploring around. My favorite thus far has been the Fischer S Bound 78 at 200cm length. I've just found it more fun than the Glittertind. YMMV.
They don't turn all that easy - IMO they are good, forgiving BC XC ski i.e. good for mellow slopes or places you can straight run if need be.
We kind of use skis like this as crossover skis. I ski them in groomed and ungroomed. They aren't ideal for either. They are a bit slow compared to a ski made to ski set tracks and lack float and turning ability in ungroomed snow.
Now that I know more, I kind of prefer a longer, skinnier ski for this kind of skiing. And I kind of prefer a little bit wider, less cambered ski for exploring around. My favorite thus far has been the Fischer S Bound 78 at 200cm length. I've just found it more fun than the Glittertind. YMMV.
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Thanks for the replies! I haven't bought new skis in over 10 years. I don't visit the resorts anymore and don't do any serious back country. I live in Alaska and just like to ski the river beds and trails. I also will ski the XC groomed trails out of tracks to the ski hill for a few turns. Understanding the compromise I would like one ski to do a little everything. Maybe the Eon would be a better choice ??
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I think the Eon or, like Mike said, the S Bound 78 would be better choices. Those skis paired with 3-pins and reasonably stout leather boots would be a great setup IMO.GLB wrote:Understanding the compromise I would like one ski to do a little everything. Maybe the Eon would be a better choice ??
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Re: Advice on new skis
Sounds like the Glitterinds would be the perfect ski for what you want to do...
I'm 5'9 too @ 160lbs and I bought short Glitterinds for the exact reasons you mentionned. I was afraid they wouldn't turn in tight trees. And I deeply regret not buying a longer pair...
Mike and Conny are right, it's not the easiest ski to turn. But the truth is, for a ski like the Glitterinds, the longer the ski, the more stable it will be. And by being more stable, you are able to get more control over the skis.
Madshus recommendation was 200cm for me. I bought them size 195cm. I really should have bought them in 205cm...
Latest model is here... Funny there is no direct link on their website...
The S-Bounds are easier to turn... But they dont tour as good as the Glitts... Just buy them all...!
I'm 5'9 too @ 160lbs and I bought short Glitterinds for the exact reasons you mentionned. I was afraid they wouldn't turn in tight trees. And I deeply regret not buying a longer pair...
Mike and Conny are right, it's not the easiest ski to turn. But the truth is, for a ski like the Glitterinds, the longer the ski, the more stable it will be. And by being more stable, you are able to get more control over the skis.
Madshus recommendation was 200cm for me. I bought them size 195cm. I really should have bought them in 205cm...
Latest model is here... Funny there is no direct link on their website...
The S-Bounds are easier to turn... But they dont tour as good as the Glitts... Just buy them all...!
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Re: Advice on new skis
Being able to do a few turns is to not lose my tele skills since I don't visit the resorts any more. I can find easy to moderate hills from my house to do that but I have to get there. Plus I like the rolling terrain of some of the trails near by.
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MikeK
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The Eons were my favorite XC type ski until I tried the S Bound 78. Mine were 195s as well. My wife has a pair and she loves hers, but I want her to try the S Bounds.
Really it comes down to the scale pattern. There are other differences too, but they are subtle. Although at times the S Bound pattern can sound like a swarm of angry bees (on crusty shit) it has the most consistent grip I've found. I didn't know if this was just the variable snow I'd encounter here in balmy NY, or if it was really that those scales worked better all around. Another poster, anrother, from Alaska, had said the same thing in comparison to his other skis (I think he had a pair of Eons as well).
http://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.p ... 705#p13705
Unless they changed them, the Glitts had a different waxless pattern than the wider models. And IMO, it climbs really well. Not as good as the S Bounds, but much better than its bigger brothers. I was really surprised that a double camber ski with less width underfoot could outclimb the others... but it can in most snow types.
Oh - I forgot they changed the name of the S bound 78 to the Traverse 78. I can't confirm 100%, but it looks like the same ski just with the easy skin. All reports on the Fischer easy skin have been positive as well. Looks like a good system. A few of us, myself included, went with Asnes skis. They have a similar system which I hope to evaluate this season.
Again the only bad thing about the Eon and 78 skis is they don't fit in a standard groomed track. This is where a ski like the Glittertind shines. So if you really want the ability to do all, you'll need to stay with those (less than 70mm max width).
It's almost impossible to have only one of these skis though. You'll be wanting more. If I was trying to keep a small quiver I'd get a fast, metal edge for flat touring and track skiing, maybe waxable. I have a pair of waxless Fischer e89s for this in 205cm. They are a very good XC ski but they suck on any significant hills - they have a ton of camber. For a deep/snow up/down sort of ski I'd go Epoch/Annum, S Bound 98/S Bound 112... maybe Vector, KOM or G3 stinger. The latter 3 having rocker and lots of width will turn and climb really well. The advantage of the older school skis without rocker is that they are a bit lighter. Most are outdated designs to be honest, but they work surprisingly well provided you don't ask too much of them.
Really it comes down to the scale pattern. There are other differences too, but they are subtle. Although at times the S Bound pattern can sound like a swarm of angry bees (on crusty shit) it has the most consistent grip I've found. I didn't know if this was just the variable snow I'd encounter here in balmy NY, or if it was really that those scales worked better all around. Another poster, anrother, from Alaska, had said the same thing in comparison to his other skis (I think he had a pair of Eons as well).
http://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.p ... 705#p13705
Unless they changed them, the Glitts had a different waxless pattern than the wider models. And IMO, it climbs really well. Not as good as the S Bounds, but much better than its bigger brothers. I was really surprised that a double camber ski with less width underfoot could outclimb the others... but it can in most snow types.
Oh - I forgot they changed the name of the S bound 78 to the Traverse 78. I can't confirm 100%, but it looks like the same ski just with the easy skin. All reports on the Fischer easy skin have been positive as well. Looks like a good system. A few of us, myself included, went with Asnes skis. They have a similar system which I hope to evaluate this season.
Again the only bad thing about the Eon and 78 skis is they don't fit in a standard groomed track. This is where a ski like the Glittertind shines. So if you really want the ability to do all, you'll need to stay with those (less than 70mm max width).
It's almost impossible to have only one of these skis though. You'll be wanting more. If I was trying to keep a small quiver I'd get a fast, metal edge for flat touring and track skiing, maybe waxable. I have a pair of waxless Fischer e89s for this in 205cm. They are a very good XC ski but they suck on any significant hills - they have a ton of camber. For a deep/snow up/down sort of ski I'd go Epoch/Annum, S Bound 98/S Bound 112... maybe Vector, KOM or G3 stinger. The latter 3 having rocker and lots of width will turn and climb really well. The advantage of the older school skis without rocker is that they are a bit lighter. Most are outdated designs to be honest, but they work surprisingly well provided you don't ask too much of them.
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Thanks guys! Great info. I have a pair of skinnies for track work that have a season or two in them. I will check out the Fischers 78 and see what they are about before I buy.