lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
- lilcliffy
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lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
I really and truly wanted to use my 195cm Annums today.
We got a good 40cm of fresh stuff in yesterdays storm and I really felt like using a ski that offers more float than my
Combat Nato.
I was thinking of going out with my Storetind with my Ski March boot, but I was determined to put my new Alfa Guard Advance through its initial paces before my next serious tour on Saturday...
So- I pulled out my Annums- they are glide-waxed.
The snow conditions were perfect Swix Blue kick wax.
The Annums sucked- I just could not get adequate grip to even XC ski- let alone break trail- let alone climb a bump.
Simply had to turn around about 150m out and come back for my Combat Natos.
The Combat Nato certainly rode deeper in the snow column than the Annum, but the grip and glide was soooooo much better! I had my Polar base with Swix Green underfoot.
I would like a waxable Annum...Or perhaps a Rabb 68 mounted to NNNBC...
I have decided to strip the glide wax from my Annums and try grip waxing the base.
Today would have been excellent for the Annum but the snow was just too cold for those Omnitrack scales. Miserable.
In deep snow, I keep reaching for my Combat Nato/Ingstad BC or Storetind over my Annum- but, I realize this has as much to do with a lack of grip issue than anything else...
We got a good 40cm of fresh stuff in yesterdays storm and I really felt like using a ski that offers more float than my
Combat Nato.
I was thinking of going out with my Storetind with my Ski March boot, but I was determined to put my new Alfa Guard Advance through its initial paces before my next serious tour on Saturday...
So- I pulled out my Annums- they are glide-waxed.
The snow conditions were perfect Swix Blue kick wax.
The Annums sucked- I just could not get adequate grip to even XC ski- let alone break trail- let alone climb a bump.
Simply had to turn around about 150m out and come back for my Combat Natos.
The Combat Nato certainly rode deeper in the snow column than the Annum, but the grip and glide was soooooo much better! I had my Polar base with Swix Green underfoot.
I would like a waxable Annum...Or perhaps a Rabb 68 mounted to NNNBC...
I have decided to strip the glide wax from my Annums and try grip waxing the base.
Today would have been excellent for the Annum but the snow was just too cold for those Omnitrack scales. Miserable.
In deep snow, I keep reaching for my Combat Nato/Ingstad BC or Storetind over my Annum- but, I realize this has as much to do with a lack of grip issue than anything else...
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
- lowangle al
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Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
LC, are you sure it was the cold snow that the omnitrack didn't like? 40 cm seems like it could be deep enough that the snow wouldn't pack firmly enough under your skis to give enough resistance to push off of. I was going to suggest a little wax of the day on the tips and tails.
- bgregoire
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Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
Those are the words of a northern skier fully and truly weaned from scales. The sound of music to my ears!
I live for the Telemark arc....The feeeeeeel.....I ski miles to get to a place where there is guaranteed snow to do the deal....TM
Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
Have had the same experience with scales on cold powder in CO many times too. Probably better off with a thin full length skin.
- Cannatonic
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Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
"All wisdom is to be gained through suffering"
-Will Lange (quoting Inuit chieftan)
-Will Lange (quoting Inuit chieftan)
- lilcliffy
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- Favorite boots: Alpina Alaska BC; Lundhags Expedition; Alfa Skaget XP; Scarpa T4
- Occupation: Forestry Professional
Instructor at Maritime College of Forest Technology
Husband, father, farmer and logger
Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
That Kongsvold...
Me want.
Almost bought it this year.
96-66-85mm
200cm wow
Me want.
Almost bought it this year.
96-66-85mm
200cm wow
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
- lowangle al
- Posts: 2755
- Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:36 pm
- Location: Pocono Mts / Chugach Mts
- Ski style: BC with focus on downhill perfection
- Favorite Skis: powder skis
- Favorite boots: Scarpa T4
- Occupation: Retired cement mason. Current job is to take my recreation as serious as I did my past employment.
Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
I thought that ski would be a good addition to the quiver but I couldn't spend a lot of money on a ski with a dog on it.lilcliffy wrote:That Kongsvold...
Me want.
Almost bought it this year.
96-66-85mm
200cm wow
- Cannatonic
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Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
no dogs, what are you waiting for a ski with cats on it or something?
I see Neptune is holding a pair of 200cm Kongsvolds, might be worth checking w/ them in March to see if they go on sale, a little too wide for me.....
https://www.neptunemountaineering.com/a ... ski-540286
I see Neptune is holding a pair of 200cm Kongsvolds, might be worth checking w/ them in March to see if they go on sale, a little too wide for me.....
https://www.neptunemountaineering.com/a ... ski-540286
"All wisdom is to be gained through suffering"
-Will Lange (quoting Inuit chieftan)
-Will Lange (quoting Inuit chieftan)
- lowangle al
- Posts: 2755
- Joined: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:36 pm
- Location: Pocono Mts / Chugach Mts
- Ski style: BC with focus on downhill perfection
- Favorite Skis: powder skis
- Favorite boots: Scarpa T4
- Occupation: Retired cement mason. Current job is to take my recreation as serious as I did my past employment.
Re: lack of grip undermines the entire performance of an XCD ski
Well Canna, a ski with a dog on it would make me seem less threatening when I ask," Are you going to pick that up?"