Ha! This could take this thread on a number of tangents as well as some rabbit holes...bgregoire wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:35 pmI was under the impression the Asnes Nansen AND Amundsen (Rago) were both downhill oriented telemark skis in their earlier days. At least that's what Pinnah said:lilcliffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:16 pmVERY interested.
Once Asnes has perfected a waxless-scaled verson of the Gamme 54 I will have one.
I don't know if I would call it the "Telemark ski" though...
I think that the Nansen is Asnes' old-school Telemark ski.
The Gamme- as is the E99 (oops does this ski still exist )- is more XC-oriented from my perspective.
The E99 is a fantastic BC-XCd ski in hilly terrain, but I still consider it a XC ski.
http://web.archive.org/web/201510021509 ... -skis.html
Or what I thought he said.
Although I appreciate- very much- Pinnah's overview of Nordic BC skis- I have never really understood his classifications/categories...Why group skis together purely because of their tip width and sidecut geometry- ignnoring their camber-flex profile and associated performance?
For my part, I view "Telemark" skiing and "Telemark" skis/boots/bindings etc. as a downhill skiing discipline- therefore, I would choose not to classify a ski that has been tuned for efficient XC travel as a "Telemark" ski. Yes, one can make a telemark turn with a XC ski (with any ski), but making a telemark turn with a XC ski does not necesarily make a XC-tuned ski a "Telemark" ski from my perspective.
So, for example- I don't really understand why Pinnah groups all of those skis under the classification of "Old School Teles" (i.e. old-school Telemark skis) other than their sidecut profiles...Many of the skis he has listed in that category are clearly XC-tuned skis...
On the subject of the Nansen and Amundsen/Rago-
- Pinnah lists the Nansen under "Old School Tele"- different geometry than current model- but there is no description of the camber and flex pattern of this ski.
- Pinnah also lists the Nansen under "Cirque Class Skis" with the same sidecut profile as the current Nansen, but again no descriptin of its camber and flex.
- the Rago (which I had assumed was the Amundsen) is listed under "Old School Tele", and has the same sidecut geometry as the current Amundsen- but he comments that they have a soft tip/tail...Does the current Amundsen match this camber-flex pattern? I think not. And is the Rago that Pinnah describes a XC-oriented "Old School Tele" ski or a downhill-oriented "Old School Tele" ski?
One might make telemark turns with an E99/Gamme 54/Amundsen/Glittertind etc.- but I don't think that makes the ski a "Telemark" ski from my perspective...
Back to Pinnah's ski categories- what is the point of calling a XC-tuned ski a "Telemark" ski?