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I'm going to start publishing my waxing frustrations and maybe hive mind can help find solution?
Rules: Solution can't be: Waxless Skis or Skins. Because, duh. UNLESS this is impossible snow. That's an OK answer.
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In this video I have Toko Blue Klister as my primary klister. There is older Swix Univeral and Silver mixed up underneath the blue. Temp is 20f/-7c on granular with an ice glaze on top. The ski was cold when I applied the warm blue, so the klister underneath did not move around or come up and mess with the blue.
Re: Which Wax or Klister to use? Video analysis
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:49 pm
by fisheater
First, I love the eidelweiss, classic touch. Mixing klister is beyond anything I have done, for that temp Swix Blue ice klister has been as good for me as Swix Blue Extra, pretty good! I just received and have not used some Rex Gold klister +3 to -7, that would be on the edge of your temps. I recently pulled the trigger on Swix Red Klister recently. Putting too warm a klister on is a bad mistake, I don’t recommend it at all. The only good thing is the snow ices around the to warm klister completely. You can throw the skis in the back of the truck without fear of dreaded klister migration.
First, I love the eidelweiss, classic touch. Mixing klister is beyond anything I have done, for that temp Swix Blue ice klister has been as good for me as Swix Blue Extra, pretty good! I just received and have not used some Rex Gold klister +3 to -7, that would be on the edge of your temps. I recently pulled the trigger on Swix Red Klister recently. Putting too warm a klister on is a bad mistake, I don’t recommend it at all. The only good thing is the snow ices around the to warm klister completely. You can throw the skis in the back of the truck without fear of dreaded klister migration.
I tried the Univeral/Silver mix first, before adding the Blue. They did absolutely nothing. No icing, no grip. The blue gave me some grip but barely anything. No mixing with the blue, it covered up the underneath pretty good. Blue works good on compacted icy stuff (snowmobile trail in second half of video) why not on the looser stuff?
Re: Which Wax or Klister to use? Video analysis
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:11 pm
by fisheater
I really don’t know, however I recently added the violet version of this wax. It is supposed it’s for icy refrozen coastal snow (Oslo) by a good Finnish company
I wish I had the answers.
Re: Which Wax or Klister to use? Video analysis
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:12 am
by phooka
Sounds like my snow for the past couple of weeks, just a bit warmer. We had a nice warm Chinook than really transformed everything then we froze down hard and 30-60 MPH winds. Let's just call it "full conditions". This is also costal so humidity is quite high.
Looks like you are breaking up the crust fairly well. You are really granular underneath, so warm up a Klister grade if blue isn't grabbing (Vauhti Violet would be my choice) and make sure to keep it in just the klister pocket. Also use a Klister base as you are gonna pull off wax like crazy with the crusty top.
Try this:
liquid klister base (Vauhti KS Base) the whole wax pocket
Violet Klister (Vauhti KS Violet) - klister pocket only
2-3 layers pyramid of Swix Violet Special ahead and behind the Klister
If too grabby, a quick light top coat of Blue Extra should balance the kick and glide
omcgear has most all the Vauhti stuff in stock and willing to ship USPS. Shipping the Vauhti liquids UPS/FedEx air is a no go. USPS is okay for at least a liter of the liquids.