unprepared terrain and tracks

[Krakus]

I'm thinking of a ski that will still fit in the tracks but will also allow me to move in unprepared terrain. By "fiting in the tracks" I mean that it won't rub too much, but I don't care much about speed. When it comes to ungroomed terrain I would like it to have some turning ability on moderate slopes. Deep fresh snow is rather rare here, what sometimes happens is a few, a dozen or so cm. Much more often you'll find is more consolidated, moist, crusty or refrozen snow . I like waxable skis but the waxing conditions are getting too complicated lately so I have to switch to no-wax skies or short skins . What I am finding more or less available are:
Alpina Control 64E (crown)
Fischer Transnordic 66 Crown Xtralite
Madshus Panorama M55 Intelligrip Transition (short skin)
Asnes Gamme
Asnes Borge Ousland
I will be grateful to those who share their experience/opinion about these types of skis and their suitablity to my needs. I weigh 95 kg, usually I move with a not too big backpack on one-day trips. I am considering these skis in the largest available sizes 205-210 cm.

[Dying2Live]

I don’t have any experience with it, but was looking at the Sporten Ranger for the same sort of conditions you’re describing

[fisheater]

Gamme fits in tracks, but is not pleasant to ski in tracks. The stiff tip, combined with full length edges has the stiff edges grabbing the sides of the tracks. It isn’t fun.
On the other hand, my MT 51 fits in tracks, has 3/4 length steel edges, and the tips are noodles. They are great in tracks. However you cannot turn them by bending them, they are best step turned. The Gamme can be turned by edging the tip. The tip bends, and helps to load the ski into an arc. I like to Tele turn, so I much prefer a Gamme type ski.
In tracks you are going to want those soft noodle tips. The don’t drag when they hit the sides of the track. I guess that’s my long winded way of explaining why I believe that a good track ski isn’t really great for non-groomed BC skiing and vice versa

[JohnSKepler]

Gamme fits in tracks, but is not pleasant to ski in tracks. The stiff tip, combined with full length edges has the stiff edges grabbing the sides of the tracks. It isn’t fun.

Bob speaks the truth of a swami. Heed his words.

He also says something more subtle but full of the same sage wisdom: "It isn't fun." And, if we're not hunting for dinner, we're really out there to enjoy being there doing this. While I've not given this ski the credit it deserves in the past I've come to realize I always have fun when I use it under appropriate conditions, which are as you describe.

Rossignol BC65. I think they have some other name now but it's the same ski. They are prevalent and cheap. I saw some new ones with NNNBC bindings the other day for under $200. Used I've seen < $100. The tips are floppy which makes track-skiing infinitely more fun but it also has metal edges and turns okay if you realize you're not on a trick ski. They are feather light. The scales work as good as any ski I own. One thing they don't do well is break crust. But, even if your ski is great at crust, it's still a crummy day.

[CwmRaider]

Åsnes Ousland is "OK" on tracks if you accept that it is not a track ski, it is 2mm narrower than the Gamme, 1 mm wider than the BC65. It is very light also and I am positively impressed by how well it turns. It has been however 8 years since I last used another E99 / TN66 type ski during which time I got much better at skiing, so I cannot objectively compare them with similar geometry skis.
Really though if I were expecting exclusively rotten snow I might get waxless skis as well, and in that case I would NOT look at Åsnes in spite of being a fan boy. The short skins do work fine, that said.

[Krakus]

Rossignol BC65. I think they have some other name now but it's the same ski.

The thing is, the longest BC65s are 195 cm, and recommendation for them is "80+ kgs". I'm afraid, they are to short for my weight.
Anyway, my wife was very happy with old BC65. The new ones, she says, are not the same.

Sporten Ranger

I've heard bad opinions on effectiveness of Sporten crown pattern - except for Wanderer

[corlay]

I would go just a touch narrower, than the ski models youve listed.

as explained above, skiis with geometry like the Gamme or Transnordic, etc
technically "fit" in tracks, but will "bang the rails" a LOT; and suck the fun right out of it.

Asnes Mountain Race 48 is my personal choice for a:
"fits in the tracks, but is also capable going "off-road"

[JohnSKepler]

I would go just a touch narrower, than the ski models youve listed.

as explained above, skiis with geometry like the Gamme or Transnordic, etc
technically "fit" in tracks, but will "bang the rails" a LOT; and suck the fun right out of it.

Asnes Mountain Race 48 is my personal choice for a:
"fits in the tracks, but is also capable going "off-road"

I bought a set of Mountain Race 48 Skin this year but haven't had much luck with them. Our snow has been abysmal and IMHO skins work a lot better in decent snow than on wet or ice. Maybe I'll get the chance before the winter is over!

[Erik H]

I highly recommend the fisher spider 62s, they fit nicely in tracks, work well outside of tracks and turn pretty nicely too. I find that the fischer crown pattern works very well in most conditions. they also make an edgeless version which from what I understand is pretty much the same ski

[mca80]

Why do you need a ski that both works in tracks and can handle downhill turns? That might be the most important question to ask, i.e. what is the situation/circumstance that requires this? Are you skiing 5 miles in tracks to get to a dh? Do you only want one ski? Etc. So many recommendations without ample context provided.