2015 Åsnes Combat NATO

Real reviews by real skiers. What a concept! Add your own today. Reviews only please, questions can be posted as replies but new threads looking for opinions should be posted to the main Telemark Talk Forum.
User avatar
lilcliffy
Posts: 3077
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:20 pm
Location: Stanley, New Brunswick, Canada
Ski style: Nordic backcountry touring
Favorite Skis: Asnes Ingstad BC; Asnes Gamme 54 BC; Asnes Storetind Carbon; Madshus Annum; Asnes Comabt Nato
Favorite boots: Alfa Guard Advance BC; Alpina Alaska BC; Crispi Svartisen BC; Scarpa T4
Occupation: Forestry Professional
Instructor at Maritime College of Forest Technology
Husband, father, farmer and logger

Re: 2015 Åsnes Combat NATO

Post by lilcliffy » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:26 am

Roelant wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:16 pm
I tried to measure the weight required to press two skis together but couldnt get reproducible results for both Combat and Nansen. My qualitative squeeze tests still suggest that the Nansens are a little bit, but not hugely softer.
Here are some other observations about the flex.
I placed blocks between the skis at the tips and tails at the zone where the tips start rising (similar distance from the tips in both instances) and clamped the skis together on the front riser plate just to the rear of the 75mm bindings, presumably close to where the most of the foot pressure would be.
Åsnes Combat Nato 210 cm:
Nato Flex.jpg

Åsnes Nansen 205 cm:
nansen flex.jpg

These pictures highlight a major difference in flex pattern between the skis.
The Combat Nato bases are in contact from behind the heel all the way to the skin lock. And the skis are actually partially separated in between these two contact points at the front of the riser plate. This highlights a long stiff central portion and significantly softer tips.
The Åsnes Nansen are in contact from behind the heel to just in front of the riser plate. The flex is more gradual. I suppose this is what is meant with round flex. They pressure naturally into an arc.
I think this is why the Nansen feels like a better turner, in spite of the Nato having more sidecut
@Roelant
Hi Roelant!
I am wondering if you might do a similar flex-pattern comparison of the tail of the Nansen vs Combat Nato?
I am wondering whether the round-flex of the Nansen is true for the entire length of the ski.
Hope your summer is going well!
Best,
Gareth
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.

User avatar
Roelant
Posts: 253
Joined: Wed May 15, 2019 6:33 am
Location: Subarctic Scandinavian Taiga
Ski style: Backcountry in the wild, cross country on trails
Favorite Skis: Nansen, FT62, Combat NATO
Favorite boots: Crispi Bre, Scarpa T4
Occupation: Ion Counter

Re: 2015 Åsnes Combat NATO

Post by Roelant » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:59 pm

lilcliffy wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:26 am
Hi Roelant!
I am wondering if you might do a similar flex-pattern comparison of the tail of the Nansen vs Combat Nato?
I am wondering whether the round-flex of the Nansen is true for the entire length of the ski.
Hope your summer is going well!
Best,
Gareth
Hi Gareth
Yup I'm sipping a Norwegian whisky and taking some "me time", our little 7 month old guy doesn't allow me to flex skis too often. Though I can almost ski out of the door, so this winter I could ski a couple of times a week as "exercise". But it was an time efficient affair, haha, maximum 2 hour tours :)

The highlight this winter was a short but fun tour with a borrowed Fjellpulk and our boy in there. He seemed to be happy, we will get a second hand one before next winter.

I don't want to make noise in the house, so I am not going to flex them right now but I'll try to remember when I have the chance :D



User avatar
Woodserson
Posts: 2550
Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:25 am
Location: New Hampshire
Ski style: Bumps, trees, steeps and long woodsy XC tours
Favorite Skis: DH: Voile V6, Altai KOMs, XCD: Asnes FT62, XC: Nansen, E99, Bonna 1800
Favorite boots: T2Eco, T4, Rossignol BCX10
Occupation: Retro Rager-grouch. Flailmeister. E99 Nerd

Re: 2015 Åsnes Combat NATO

Post by Woodserson » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:50 am

lilcliffy wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:26 am

@Roelant
Hi Roelant!
I am wondering if you might do a similar flex-pattern comparison of the tail of the Nansen vs Combat Nato?
I am wondering whether the round-flex of the Nansen is true for the entire length of the ski.
Hope your summer is going well!
Best,
Gareth
I have the previous generation of Combat Nato's-- I believe. They are the ones that came out when the Ingstad didn't have rocker, IIRC-- so prob the 2015's???

I can help if Roelant is occupado.



User avatar
lilcliffy
Posts: 3077
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:20 pm
Location: Stanley, New Brunswick, Canada
Ski style: Nordic backcountry touring
Favorite Skis: Asnes Ingstad BC; Asnes Gamme 54 BC; Asnes Storetind Carbon; Madshus Annum; Asnes Comabt Nato
Favorite boots: Alfa Guard Advance BC; Alpina Alaska BC; Crispi Svartisen BC; Scarpa T4
Occupation: Forestry Professional
Instructor at Maritime College of Forest Technology
Husband, father, farmer and logger

Re: 2015 Åsnes Combat NATO

Post by lilcliffy » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:55 am

I don't think that the Combat NATO ski has ever been updated.

Woods- you also have the current Ingstad- it would help to have that ski in comparison as well.

What I am interested is in the combination of flex pattern and stability in the tail of these Nordic touring skis.

Roelant's examination of the flex pattern of the mid-section and shovel of the Combat NATO and the Nansen is very revealing- the Nansen clearly has a "rounder" flex than the Combat- making it easier to pressure into a turn.
What I am wondering is what the tail flex of the Nansen is like...

The current Ingstad does not have a "round" flex- it is quite stiff and resistant over its length- maintaining stability in deep snow-
the rockered shovel clearly enables planing and turn intiation-
but the stiff tail of the Ingstad is not easy to pressure and smear-
(the tail of the Combat NATO is stiff and resistant as well)

What I am wondering is what the tail of the Nansen feels like under pressure...
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.



User avatar
Woodserson
Posts: 2550
Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:25 am
Location: New Hampshire
Ski style: Bumps, trees, steeps and long woodsy XC tours
Favorite Skis: DH: Voile V6, Altai KOMs, XCD: Asnes FT62, XC: Nansen, E99, Bonna 1800
Favorite boots: T2Eco, T4, Rossignol BCX10
Occupation: Retro Rager-grouch. Flailmeister. E99 Nerd

Re: 2015 Åsnes Combat NATO

Post by Woodserson » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:18 pm

lilcliffy wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:55 am
I don't think that the Combat NATO ski has ever been updated.

Woods- you also have the current Ingstad- it would help to have that ski in comparison as well.

What I am interested is in the combination of flex pattern and stability in the tail of these Nordic touring skis.

Roelant's examination of the flex pattern of the mid-section and shovel of the Combat NATO and the Nansen is very revealing- the Nansen clearly has a "rounder" flex than the Combat- making it easier to pressure into a turn.
What I am wondering is what the tail flex of the Nansen is like...

The current Ingstad does not have a "round" flex- it is quite stiff and resistant over its length- maintaining stability in deep snow-
the rockered shovel clearly enables planing and turn intiation-
but the stiff tail of the Ingstad is not easy to pressure and smear-
(the tail of the Combat NATO is stiff and resistant as well)

What I am wondering is what the tail of the Nansen feels like under pressure...
See my reply on this new thread: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4140



User avatar
The GCW
Posts: 24
Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:39 am
Location: Summit County Colorado
Ski style: Alpine, Alpine B.C. Nordic B.C.

Re: 2015 Åsnes Combat NATO

Post by The GCW » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:48 pm

Unless I'm mistaken and in case anyone is interested:

Neptune in Boulder (yesterday) has at least 2 pair of DEMO Combat Nato skis in I think 190, in house. All White, skin hole in tip...?...

& At least a couple other Asnes used / demo's...

And an assortment of new Asnes skis. I didn't inquire if they're on sale but I recall a while back on an email that they were on sale. Why would they not be? -New skis may be seen / investigated on their website.



Post Reply