Hello Gareth and Woods,lilcliffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:41 pmSo- the thing is I don't get or buy in to the idea of a "short" XC ski for "downhill" skiing".Woodserson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:06 pmEon/Panorama
Are all comparable skis dimensionally. But I think lilcliffy means completely out of this class when it comes to turning.
What I am speaking to here is that skis that are tuned for distance and XC kick and glide should be sized with that in mind.
There are- certainly are- XC skis that are tweaked to climb- tweaked to plane- tweaked to be turned- but that doesn't make them downhill skis.
I cannot speak to the current Fischer 78- I haven't even seen one- and it is starting to sound like it is tweaked again towards XC performance (i.e more camber and stiffness underfoot).
The Eon/XCDGT is "easier" to turn- for some- than my T78, because it softer underfoot than the my T78. I don't find our T78 harder to turn than our Eons- but I am 180+ lbs and a bit of an assertive skier. My wife does not find our T78 hard to turn, but she is an expert downhill skier and agressively weights her downhill/leading ski.
My point- some people will find the Eon easier to turn than the T78- some will not.
Regardless- I bet everyone/anyone would find the 78 to be a more efficient XC ski.
On the subject of "go short for hills"-
If one is going ot go "short for the hills" then why not consider a ski that is more downhill focused than either of these skis?
If you go short enough on a 78 to make it "manageable" in steep terrain, then it is going to be dead on the flats- so why not reach for a ski that is actually going to be fun downhill?
In regards to the more turnable XC skis list, what is the most turnable while still offering kick and glide performance?
We talk about turnable here. I can turn my Gamme. I ski twisty steep trails on Gamme. It has made me think about what I mean by turnable? I have thought turnable should mean that I can bend the ski in a somewhat equally weighted two footed Telemark turn. However from correspondence I’ve had, there isn’t a ski with XC performance that I can bend in that equally weighted 2 footed turn.
I did come up with a definition of what I am looking for in a turnable ski. My definition would be a ski, that has XC performance, but that a skilled skier can link turns in reasonable snow conditions on moderate terrain. However even as I write this, I’m shooting myself in the foot, because I’m sure I could link some decent turns on my Gamme on a groomed Green piste.
This leaves me to believe perhaps the Holy Grail of turn ability lies with judiciously engineered rocker. Of the four skis on the turnable list, three are rockered.
Before I talk about the rockered skis, I will comment that the reviews I’ve read don’t speak glowingly of the XC performance of the Eon/Panorama 62. That is definitely reported for a guy in my 190 lb weight class.
So perhaps I’ve answered my own question, as I write this. It seems the answer is pick one of those three remaining skis on the list. We have enough reviews here to pick which ski suits the individual best, correct? The only other apparent alternative is to order a Otto, if it is even possible.
I would still appreciate your comments.