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[Raventele]

I have seen the robo-tele taught for the specific purpose of skiing bumps tele better..
I would say that, overall, it's something of an exaggeration, that is to say, yes you can see it as a wedge tele but there's a deeper purpose involved. Performed quickly enough by a good skier, you will probably not even be able to see the wedged part and it makes for skiing bumps tele-style much more smoothly.
And no, the Norwegian instructor is NOT teaching the same thing except in so far as it's a matter of inception.
His technique is much more on the side of stepping and hopping a bit than simply sliding to a tele from the wedge.
And when he skis quickly enough, eventually the wedge gets swallowed up in one seamless move just as it can with the robo-tele.

[Johnny]

I was totally devoted to science when I was a kid. I was trying to solve the great mysteries and save the human race while I should have been playing in the mud and wrestling with other kids. Poor little Johnny...

Time does not exists. Light, whether you see it as matter or not, does not exists. The physical world does not exists. All these things require a mind to exist, otherwise they do not have a life of their own. It's just a pale reflection of our thoughts. Life is but the crystallization of thought...

We may be able to learn a lot of things from automobile layout.
Whether we go by FWD or RWD is one of my themes in this thread

Interesting analogy. Hummm.... (The sound of my braincells working...) Yep, interesting.
As we must weight the front foot just as much as the rear one, maybe it's better to go 4WD? : )

[MikeK]

I was totally devoted to science when I was a kid. I was trying to solve the great mysteries and save the human race while I should have been playing in the mud and wrestling with other kids. Poor little Johnny...

Time does not exists. Light, whether you see it as matter or not, does not exists. The physical world does not exists. All these things require a mind to exist, otherwise they do not have a life of their own. It's just a pale reflection of our thoughts. Life is but the crystallization of thought...

We may be able to learn a lot of things from automobile layout.
Whether we go by FWD or RWD is one of my themes in this thread

Interesting analogy. Hummm.... (The sound of my braincells working...) Yep, interesting.
As we must weight the front foot just as much as the rear one, maybe it's better to go 4WD? : )

Yes. Poor Johnny. Oh well. There are worse thing you could have done with your time.

Your second paragraph is philosophy, no way we could ever prove that with science. My philosophy is exactly opposite actually: everything exists regardless of life or consciousness.

Here is why I think this (sorry CIMA, you are bringing out the philosophy in this thread):

I was sitting out in the woods one day and I got to thinking about the question of what makes something alive. I looked at a rock, which we all would agree is not alive and has no consciousness. But I really thought about that rock, and all the changes that rock has went through. How old it was, how it's matter had been trapped in that form for so long, but came from some other form of matter or energy. How was it any different than me on a fundamental level? It cannot reproduce. It cannot die as we define dying. But it certainly has lived. So does the entire earth. So does the sun. So does our solar system. So does our galaxy. So does our universe... and this probably extends on to infinity.

My senses are tuned to interpret the physical world in a specific way, but I don't believe my existence is what makes it real. When you take drugs you can get a distorted sense of reality, but it doesn't change the rules,it only changes your perception. It's all there. It is something beyond me or what I can understand. I don't call it God, because god makes no sense to me. It just is. It's bigger than I can imagine and it's always changing. Like it's 'alive'. Consciousness is merely a set of algorithms that give a sense of the physical. When the algorithms stop running, it's over. Just like it was before I began. But the universe(s) go on. They don't need me, only I them, to exist.

[Raventele]

Realism falls short..caught in its own trap..
Is it "mental" ? Is it "physical" ? but wait, both are ideas , constructs in minds..and "mind" , of course the same
The only sensible solution is to just admit that even a rock has a level of consciousness..
Being in its totality, the grand consciousness.

[MikeK]

That could be true. I suppose.

The problem I have with that idea is that my current consciousness has no connection to my past consciousness, in which case my atoms could have made up something 'living' or something not so.

But possibly my thought of consciousness is flawed. What is that really? Some may say plants do not have consciousness but they are certainly aware of their environment. So where do you draw the line?

True it's all some arbitrary construct of our minds.

[Raventele]

Well, if it's "flawed", who will be the judge ?
You and others, of course --barring dragging in the gods screaming and kicking..
There's a bridge no one can cross: it's where the physical flips to thought i.e. mentality.

[Johnny]

Exactly. Science never proves anything. But theosophy does.

I truly believe the rock is alive. I don't see any difference between me and a rock, we are both the same, as important. That's why I try not to break rocks. That's why I don't eat animals. But being alive or conscious doesn't mean "real". Life itself is a conception of the mind.

My current consciousness has no connection to my past consciousness, in which case my atoms could have made up something 'living' or something not so.

Your mind is able to understand a lot of things if you can "tune" it right. It's a wonderful thing, so powerful. But just add science (atoms) or other worldly man-made concepts to it and suddenly it becomes problematic, unsolvable. Science is an obstacle, a way to complicate very simple things. A way to turn a simple truth into a fake, complex problem-solving game for bored adults. : )

Yep, sorry CIMA for littering such a great thread with philosophical shit. Time for the Science Vs. Philosophy thread?

[Raventele]

^^^But, not to worry, no matter how we wiggle , we are all caught in a web of "reason"..
And that's fine too..As one old Jesuit Phil. of Religion prof. I knew put it," reason is a way of understanding"..a way to structure ..