The magic number

[MikeK]

You know, that one Johnny is obsessed with... 109.

So then what is the deal with these new gen waxless skis that are exceeding that?

Rossi BC110 (does that make it?) and BC125
Fischer S-Bound 112 (close enough?)
Voile Vector BC

They are pushing the limits the old Guide set...

[Johnny]

I think they are more oriented towards plastic boots users. I doubt any of those companies create new products with leathers in mind.

The BC125 at 3000g and the Sbound 112 at 2900g are a bit heavy for being skied with leathers. Even if you're the strongest guy in the world, there's a limit to what you can control with soft boots (while still having fun...) The fatter the skis, the more force you get back from them going downhill...

Just try them with your favorite leathers. You can do it. I can do it. It's not that bad. I have skied super fat skis and super heavy GS racing skis with my old Asolos. But just see if you're really having more fun. Annoyances seem to start around the 110-115 range... But again, that doesn't apply with plastics. You can ski the fattest and heaviest skis with cable-less pins and T4s/Excursions.

Of course I'm DREAMING of the day they'll make a pair of 1500g skis @ 185cm with 120mm tips... I'd be the first to request modifications to the XCD laws. Not sure if I will see that day... Dreaming is sometimes (always) more fun than reality...

[MikeK]

Ahh yesss... that pesky plastic boot.

I hate fat and heavy. The Annum is bordering on too heavy for me (2.6 kg+). My favorite dh skis were in that range: Freestyle/moguls skis. Sucked for high speed but could ski over and through anything.

I dunno. Fischer has it's own line of boots, as does Rossi that they seem to want to promote to go with those skis. It might be possible that the BCX875 is an adequate boot for the the S Bound 112?

I don't really like any of the Rossi BC skis much. Compared to the others out there they seem just a bit... less... but heavy.

Voile. Definitely for plastic. The vector is just a lighter, scaled version of the Alpine/Tele ski. I honestly couldn't imagine trying to do anything but climb with those... they must be awful on flats.

For my Fischer I stuck with the 98. Just figured it would tour better. Didn't even really care much about how it would turn. Those are weird skis. Double camber, huge waxless pattern, balance point is way forward. Really more like a big XC ski than an alpine ski. Flex is pretty stiff. Those might actually be the closest to your dream ski in the 88 or 98 (well except for the double camber part and the fact they are all over 2kg).

1500g and 120 width tips? Doubt that. It would have to be thin as a paper plate... or all Titanium and carbon fiber... might launch you right off the hill once they released.

[Johnny]

I miss mogul skis. A LOT. Is there something else than the Twisters on the market right now?
It's so sad, the industry is not making any of the skis I really need...What I really want is some super-light (under 2000g) skinny ski (Under 70 at the tip or 55 at the waist) with single alpine camber. Like a XC ski w/edges but without the camber and super stiff. They used to do that 30 years ago. But they're impossible to find now. This, plus the light construction of modern skis and a lot of sidecut and I would be a happy guy. Any ideas?

[MikeK]

I have no clue on any modern skis. I sold my alpine skis. Don't have much desire to buy anymore.

My bump skis were soft. I bet they were about the same profile as the Annums/Guide, similar stiffness, maybe a little less sidecut. I was never a good bump skier but I'd spend more time in the trees and the edge of the trail with skis like that.

Sounds like you want a Glittertind with some stiffness and without the camber. To my knowledge that ski doesn't exist... but it probably would be a lot of fun on groomers

[MikeK]

I've had a lot of people tell me I should be on a Blizzard Bushwhacker ski for how I like to ski. Apparently it's good in the rough stuff and a quick turner. And it's light enough to be used as an AT ski.

I kind of lost interest in that though. Too much money to ski a tiny bit of AT BC I'd actually ski in the east. Then spend everything else on lift tickets and $10 hot dogs at the resorts (oh and my wife won't go ).

Anyway. That's a modern mogul ski AFAIK even though it's not a freestyle/park ski.

[MikeK]

I miss mogul skis. A LOT. Is there something else than the Twisters on the market right now?

Guessing you meant the Allplay http://jskis.com/products/twister? I think twister is just the graphic.

I'd probably opt for the Whipit for a resort ski based on their info.

[MikeK]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/13-039-14-039-E ... 4897.l4275
Not the skinniest out there, but for the money, hard to beat.

http://measuredmass.com/2013/02/11/elan ... ro-170-cm/

These are probably the skinniest you are going to find anymore in a single camber. 171 is as long as they get.

http://skitrab.com/en-us/c-40-attivo/15 ... d-cup.html

But really you are splitting hairs when there are so many options with ~65mm at the waist:

http://www.skintrack.com/skis-comparison/

[Johnny]

Yeah, those are all amazing skis..!

The problem with rando racing skis (besides their price) is their length. I can't really ski anything smaller than 180cm... Every ski manufacturer has a version of one of my dream ski. In a 160cm size only. If people are buying, we should see longer versions on the market soon... But who else besides racers are willing to spend a thousand bucks to save a few grams? Us, of course, leather freaks!

I once had a pair of Trabs... Super light, super fun, but too fat and too short for my XCD taste. Mounting with the standard 3-pin hole pattern was quite problematic, as the skis are super hollow and made of foam/beehive pattern stuff... (I didn't want to mess with inserts...)

4lbs for the Blizzard Bushwackers! That is way too much for leathers...

I was talking about the Dynastar Twisters of course... : )

[MikeK]

4lbs for the Blizzard Bushwackers! That is way too much for leathers...

I was talking about the Dynastar Twisters of course... : )

Bushwackers for leather... no. That was back when I was considering AT.

Dynastar Twisters! Wow those do look like old school mogul skis. Hmm... being on those would be like flashing right back to high school!

Skis like that were a dime a dozen in the 90's. Now they are a one-off specialty item. Go figure.