Boot Review: 2018 Crispi Svartisen BC

[lilcliffy]

Hi Bob!
I don't think that Rottefella has anything to do with 75mm soles.
The NNN/NNNBC soles are all made by Rottefella in Norway- glued on to boots by the boot manufacturers.
I would expect a similar process for the new Xplore system- bindings and outsoles made by Rottefella- glued on to boots by the boot manufacturer.

I too don't trust glued-on 75mm-3pin-NN soles...This is the PRIMARY reason why I decided to give NNNBC a serious try some 18 years ago!

As far as the cable vs hardwire spring cartridge for a BC-XC-XCd boot-

I am not sure about this- but I strongly think/feel that it depends on the stiffness of the springs and the overall "activeness" of the binding...
For example- I am not convinced that Voile's 3-pin Hardwire is inherently more active or stiffer than the 3-pin cable...

While I certainly can do and certainly do enjoy downhill skiing without a "cable" (i.e. without heel resistance and,or "activity")- and I get (though don't subscribe to) the absolutist's obsession with a truly free heel (i.e. sans heel resistance)- I GREATLY appreciate a Telemark binding with resistance and activity when I need/want it.

Where I am at not now is the ONLY reason why I would mount 75mm for my local skiing is if I know I want to use a range of boots on the same ski- from BC-XC to Telemark.

I do wish I had mounted my 3-pin Hardwire rods upside down on my Storetind, so I could take them on/off the 3pin bale though...Might have to fix that...

[CwmRaider]

I do wish I had mounted my 3-pin Hardwire rods upside down on my Storetind, so I could take them on/off the 3pin bale though...Might have to fix that...

Hi Gareth.
Isn't it possible to unscrew the rods from the spring cartridge? On the Rottefellas it is. Would make putting those upside down a matter of a few min.

[lilcliffy]

Duh!
Thanks for the tip- hadn't thought of that!
So they should just thread on/off?

[fisheater]

Duh!
Thanks for the tip- hadn't thought of that!
So they should just thread on/off?

That is what I am planning on doing, if my more rearward heel piece mount on my Tindan does not hold the heel piece more reliably.
Remember you only need to pull it on one side not both. If you do unscrew yours please post results. I will do the same if my rearward heel piece doesn’t work.
I have no complaint about snow, I am skiing. I am happy. However I would like deep enough snow to point my Tindan downhill through some more open tree shots.

[bgregoire]

I have a question. Let’s say you bought a Svartisen 75 mm boot, wouldn’t a three pin cable / traverse or Rotte 3 pin / cable be a better match than a hardwire? I do ski my Ski March with both cable and hardwire. It works with the hardwire, just at a light setting. The hardwire is more power than required, but to me, the best option if you may use a T-4 occasionally as well.

Here's my two cents F. The 3pin cable (with spring attached) is really painful with soft forward flexing boots like the Svartisen or any other floopier boot (perhaps excluding the ski march with its uber stiff sole). I would not do that combo. I know some friends with big feet do however. The hardwire is such that you can lock in in less engaged (stiff), perhaps that might make the combo more doable. but still, nah, probably not comfy in the long run.

My guess is LC want a 3pin svartisen to ski em mostly without cables.

[lilcliffy]

Yes would use the Svartisen 75 almost exclusively without cables
Use cables with T4 on occasion
Use both boots on the same ski- Storetind
The Asolo Extreme is an excellent downhill oriented boot- more restrictive then I would like XC
The Svartisen is at least as supportive as the Extreme and MUCH better XC
Would like the option of removing the hardwire when in pure 3pin mode

[GuillaumeM]

Nice to read the review of the BC version. I owned the 75 version but sold it because the sole was too soft and I could not properly control the S-Bound 98 without the cables. I switched to BC and Stetind boot and do not regret it, very nice balance of XC and DH performances. I use these boot on Gamme (hard pack) and SBound 98 (soft snow) and it works well. I wished I had more ankle support with SBound on steep icy parts but it is a question of balance.

Regarding the Svartisen BC i wonder how it compares to the Alaska BC? I convinced my dad to not buy AT skis because he lives in Massif Central (France), a region with mainly rolling hills, plateau, eroded volcanoes and a few steeper moutains (Sancy). A lot of up and down. Coming from alpine skiing without much XC background and seeking mainly good snow conditions I think he would be better off with a supportive BC boot and wide skis. For xcD in the BC-class I guess both Svartisen and Alaska would be a good choice paired with Ingstad/FT62 or SBound98/Rabb68. What would be the more important here, sole stiffness or ankle support?

[Krakus]

Some quite useful remarks (not mine) on Svartisen 75 customization http://telemark.pl/sprzet/buty-narciarskie-backcountry/. In Polish, but I think Google translator will work.

[Yamaska]

Merci. Translation worked very well. The best observation was on flex. Duckbills flex at the duckbill and NNNBC flexes at the middle foot. This explains the cracking pointes at or behind the pin lines on the duckbills. There is a changement in flex with cables but I don’t know if this prevents cracking pointes.

Québecois value the tour. Those of us who ski start at a young age ski alpine and XC. Lots of hunting too. All terrain is very natural for us. The fields, the hills, the lakes, the rivers, and the mountains are on either side of the river Saint-Laurent where most of us live. It’s difference for the Americans. XC is very strange to many of them.

[DPO777]

EDIT-
Please note that I have managed to properly break in these beautifully made and MOST excellent Nordic Backcountry touring boots. These boots are simply fantastic and have become my favorite boot for XC tours in hilly/steep terrain.
So please take my initial review in the context of a skier coming out of perfectly broken-in boots and struggling to break-in a new pair! Please read-on for my longer term experience with the Crispi Svartisen BC boot.

Ski Boot Review: Crispi Svartisen BC

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Well, I hate to say it but I must start out this review admitting that I am feeling a little underwhelmed with my new Nordic backcountry touring boot: the Crispi Svartisen BC. Perhaps disappointed is a better word? I have only had them out for a tour 3 times this season- mainly because I am suffering from heel lift and blistering on my left foot (caused by this boot and have had to go back to my Alaskas)- I have not given up on them yet- so my feelings about them may improve.

The Crispi Svartisen BC is a Nordic touring boot designed for covering distance in hilly to mountainous terrain. The Svartisen “BC” has a NNN-BC sole- you can also get it with a 3-pin NN sole (75mm).

Here are some of the specs on this boot:
• NNN-BC outsole
• Moderately-stiff flexing midsole
• Full-grain leather from toe to top
• Synthetic protective rand from toe to heel
• Laces- to ankle
• Outer carbon heel that connects to two straps:
o An instep strap
o An articulating cuff and strap
• Gore-Tex waterproof breathable layer
• Thinsulate insulation layer

The full-grain treated leather of this boot is a thing of absolute beauty and quality- I am thrilled with it.
PROBLEM: due to the outer heel, cuff and straps, the leather on this boot cannot be effectively treated and maintained…This is a big frackin’ problem with this boot. I have spent damn near 30 years working and playing in leather boots in all seasons and the most extreme conditions. The thought of not being able to effectively maintain the leather on this boot is enough to make me lose sleep!

In general, the build quality of this boot is magnificent.

The two straps are very well designed and made.

Now what this boot does not have- and IMO- desperately needs:
• The sole flex on this boot- out of the box- is quite plainly too damn soft. There is not the power transfer and support that I would expect from a boot in this class. And once the midsole breaks in, it is going to be even softer damn it!
• This boot needs a higher and more effective lacing system- PERIOD. The lacing system on this boot basically sucks- I don’t know how else to say it. There are so few lace eyelets and cleats that it is very difficult to get the laces either tight enough or customized- this is one of the PRIMARY reasons to buy a damn leather boot in the first place!
o The lacing system only climbs to the ankle- they lace up like a low-cut hiking boot! WTF?! The ONLY support that exists above the ankle is the outer cuff and strap. This is a seriously poorly-tested design. In order to get them tight enough, I have to seriously tighten them at the ankle which applies too much pressure when I am cross-country skiing and causes some numbness in my feet. And- unless I completely tighten the upper power strap and cuff- which is excellent for skiing downhill- but terrible for XC skiing- this boot has no support above the ankle. This boot has beautiful full-grain leather above the ankle that is just flapping in the breeze!!! Very strange design. I don't get it. The idea is to give the walking comfort of a low-cut hiking shoe/boot and then tighten the cuff for downhill support. But it doesn’t work.
o The poor lacing system- coupled with poor interior ankle support-cushioning- requires me to tighten the instep strap to compensate- to the extent that it creates a pretty serious pressure point on my bony ankles.
• This boot needs more insulation.
• This boot needs some sort of memory foam in the ankle. The foot last is beautiful and perfectly designed, but the heel and ankle are just- well- open. There needs to be some softer supportive material around the heel and ankle to accommodate skiers who do not have feet that are shaped like bricks! The heel and ankle of this boot reminds me of the block-head-block-foot design of a rubber chainsaw boot- MURDER on your heels!

This boot incorporates two of Crispis "technologies":
• One that is pretty straight-forward and easy to understand:
o “CSF”: Crispi Skeleton Frame.
• And one that I don’t really get and is not well explained on their website:
o “Board Lasting Mechanical Construction”. I don’t get it.

Fit
This boot is nowhere near as wide and voluminous as I was expecting. I would describe them as having medium width and volume. As a comparison- I find the width comparable to my Alpina Alaska, but I find that the Alaska has more volume (funny thing is that the lace system is so much better on the Alaska that I can still get a custom fit easier on the Alaska- even with my low-volume feet…).

The length and sizing of the footbed seems perfect. I bought a 42EU and they fit me perfectly- and seem identical to the Alaska 42EU that I recently tried on.

The ankle is cavernous- with no memory foam and very little material of any kind to conform to the upper heel and ankle. Perhaps not a problem for those with large-volume heel and ankles- but it is a serious problem for someone with a narrow heel and ankle (like me). I have yet to get them laced up so that I simultaneously do not get any heel lift and do not cut off the circulation to my BOF and toes…And this problem cannot be compensated for with by overtightening the instep strap without creating a pressure point on your ankle.

This boot is medium overall in its fit and would likely have no fit problems if you have medium to wide heels and ankles.

If you have a wide foot- you will probably have to size up.
If you have a large volume foot- without being overly wide- they will probably fit perfectly…

I have not given up fitting this boot yet…I am going to have to play with lacing strategies and different socks to try and get it just right…
I am also considering an insulating bootie- like the Bama “Sokket”. This would both solve the heel-ankle volume problem and improve insulation. However- I might need a 43EU to use an insulating bootie…Damn.

Performance
Assuming that they fit and can be laced up properly: this boot is an amazing balance between completely free XC striding and loads of lateral support above the ankle for downhill skiing. It is a brilliant idea and design. The above ankle support of this boot greatly exceeds that of my Alpina Alaska, and it is as much a striders boot as the Alaska.

The significantly softer sole flex of the Svartisen means that it does not deliver the stability and power transfer of a stiffer flexing boot. I am greatly disappointed by this. For example: my 5-year-old Alaska BC boots have more stable and supportive sole than the Svartisen right out of the box!!? That being said the sole-flex feels fine- if not powerful- but, I fear that they will be soft, floppy and useless by the time they are completely broken in…

This boot is quite easy to flex at the metatarsus. Out of the box, it is a bit easier to flex and pressure the BOF than a stiffer NNNBC boot like the Alaska. HOWEVER: again- this may be a bit “easier” out of the box- but, this sole is going to break down and offer very little stability and support. My Alaska BC- once broken-in- is easy to pressure and offers excellent stability and power transfer in a downhill turn.

Current Conclusions/Impressions

I have not given up on this boot yet.
I don’t want to!
I am going to continue to work on lacing and socks to get a better fit.
At the moment I am a bit disappointed.
This boot is beautifully designed and built- I just wonder how effectively it has been tested and re-designed…
The boot-sole flex is to soft- this doesn’t make sense for a boot of this class.
The ankle and above ankle support is very impressive- without sacrificing striding comfort and extension.
I am left wondering why I picked this boot…In the past I have always leaned towards the design and the reports of the Crispi Stetind- over the Svartisen. I guess I thought that perhaps the Stetind would be so close to the Alaska BC that I thought I should be brave and try something quite different.
This brings to me another question…
The Stetind appears to be tried and proven in terms of fit, comfort and support.
I do have to wonder why Crispi did not simply build the Svartisen on top of the Stetind? Doesn’t really make sense to me…
I hate to say it, but I almost wish I could return them in exchange for a pair of Stetind BC.
Anyway- I am not giving up yet.
I will keep you posted!

Crispi Svartisen BC
Cross-Country: 75/100*
Downhill: 75/100*
(*utterly dependent on whether you can get them to lace up and fit properly...)

Gareth Davies
December 27th, 2018
Stanley, NB
Canada

EDIT: please read on- my experience with these boots has improved as I work on breaking them in and getting a beter fit. These boots offer an excellent performance combination of both XC striding and downhill stability.

Wow as you said you thought you should be brave and try something quite different entering into unknown territory with an unknown outcome like going down a hill with a blindfold hoping for the best outcome.

Instead it appears you have experienced a "bad boot day" from who knows where.

I think after reading this review I can answer your question with confidence

“Board Lasting Mechanical Construction”. I don’t get it.

What I interpret this as follows; You polish off a Big Axe brewksi and head out to the shed and look for a big old plank and a couple of rusty framing nails. Nail the board to the outside of the shed. Grab a Crispi boot while holding it up on the board then carefully but assertively drive a recently sharped old hand axe or a 6" spike through the toe of the boot pinning it to the board. If your not quite relieved of the stress and haven't injured yourself then head back to the house,polish of another Big Axe brewski, go back out to the shed and see if you can find another axe or spike and repeat with the second boot using even more caution.

It is at this point that Crispi claims their boot structure under normal conditions will out last the board but not the axe or spike. Hence the "Board Lasting Construction"

If you need an axe or spike down the road you will no exactly where to look.

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I am very glad to hear that the boots are coming around for you. There is nothing worse than spending hard earned money on a pair of boots with high expectations only to be left sitting around looking at the floor boards in utter disappointment waiting for a sympathetic ear open for business.

Perhaps when you have fully worked them in and the above ankle lack of lacing is still an issue you can go on Tandy leather site or amazon and order some lacing grommets, lace hooks, lace rings or similar and put your magic mod on the boots.

https://tandyleather.ca/products/lace-h ... 93da&_ss=r

On Amazon just use search "like boot repair lace hooks" should be a good start.

I have taken them from old boots in the past and reused them.

Recommend another Craft brew before you start in on the Mod (-: