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Raventele wrote:^^^ Really Shitshow ? You are that dense? The fkin second vid shows a way of using the skeletal structure to carve that ABSOLUETLY CANNOT be matched in Tele ! It's physically impossible ..the DH leg is barely bent..END OF FKIN' Story ..
And the urmas vid only proves to make my points: carve on very smooth surfaces, lower angles and there's now way to angle the lower leg and get the skeletal support that can be gotten for carving as per my second alpine carving vid if you elect to carve tele
Okay, since you seem to be a little slow. Yes, I think most folks here know that you can't use that technique to make a tele turn, it's used to teach a carved ALPINE turn.
And yes, carving is usually done on lower angled, smooth groomers. We've been saying that and that's what Urmas said in the video I posted.
Here's me being facetious again, "Do you mean to say that a telemark turn uses different technique than an alpine turn?"
Listen NOSHOW ,
You cannot achieve the skeletal support when Tele carving as per my second carving vid with the DH leg extended in that manner --any fkin way you want to try a carved tele turn..It's stupid to "think" ( I am using the term generously here) otherwise ..And that means , in the end, the superior method of carving is Alpine.. Q.E.D. quod erat demonstrandum,
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Raventele wrote:Listen NOSHOW ,
You cannot achieve the skeletal support as per my second carving vid with the DH leg extended in that manner --any fkin way you want to try a carved tele turn..It's stupid to "think" ( I am using the term generously here) otherwise
Do you even read what other people post? I've said you can't use it to make tele turns twice now and never claimed that you could. Are you arguing with the voices in your head?
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No one is claiming that telemark is superior to alpine for carving. You are the only person who has even brought that up.
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Conboy, come ski with us..Bring your bitch puppets with you..
BTW, I built and tested 5 Linux servers for some spare cash while I listened to your drivel..
spare PBR and IPA cash!
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Dongshow wrote:
So, are you saying that you can't use a technique that is used to teach the progression of a carved alpine turns to make telemark turns? That's pretty profound. Here's a video that describes what everyone else is talking about here Ron and you fail to grasp(well maybe Mikey too)
Now, there is NO way that an alpiner can use this telemark technique to make a carved alpine turn.
I knew exactly what you were talking about.
I'm guessing maybe you aren't getting what I was talking about. Now I'm sure I'm wrong because I'm not a ski instructor or anything but what I was told and taught was that you can combine that carved edging with some skid to either turn tighter than your skis naturally turn or slow your speed.
The place I took lessons for carved skiing talked about the same thing. Making turns and analyzing your tracks and adjusting. I also recall that you could lay down those nice carved lines on entry, then skid out of the turn... the instructor was telling me that when you get really good you can do that at any point, but I don't think I ever did... I stopped checking my tracks after a while. I've watched a lot of other people carve and they very rarely lay down those perfect thin lines the entire time. If you do that perfectly on every run and every turn, then for one I don't know how you ever slow down, and two I don't know how you can make turns anymore once you've built up the speed you would accumulate doing nothing but pure carves. Look at any DH racer and tell me they aren't trying to minimize any speed loss and do the purest carve they can. They are also hitting 80+ mph on black/blue terrain. I've yet to see anyone ski like that at a ski area.
I also know what you were saying about carving tracks in soft snow - actually there is no way you can tell if they are a perfect carve like they appear on groomed, but you can see any major skidding vs distinct arcs.
Raventele wrote:Jesus Christ..and why did I stop tutoring Logic??
The point is Tele carving is demonstrably WEAKER..Now go tell you cloned cousin puppet Conboy
Are you going down that road again? The problem has nothing to do with logic, it has to do with reading comprehension and/or the ability to self reflect.
Dongshow wrote:
So, are you saying that you can't use a technique that is used to teach the progression of a carved alpine turns to make telemark turns? That's pretty profound. Here's a video that describes what everyone else is talking about here Ron and you fail to grasp(well maybe Mikey too)
Now, there is NO way that an alpiner can use this telemark technique to make a carved alpine turn.
I knew exactly what you were talking about.
I'm guessing maybe you aren't getting what I was talking about. Now I'm sure I'm wrong because I'm not a ski instructor or anything but what I was told and taught was that you can combine that carved edging with some skid to either turn tighter than your skis naturally turn or slow your speed.
The place I took lessons for carved skiing talked about the same thing. Making turns and analyzing your tracks and adjusting. I also recall that you could lay down those nice carved lines on entry, then skid out of the turn... the instructor was telling me that when you get really good you can do that at any point, but I don't think I ever did... I stopped checking my tracks after a while. I've watched a lot of other people carve and they very rarely lay down those perfect thin lines the entire time. If you do that perfectly on every run and every turn, then for one I don't know how you ever slow down, and two I don't know how you can make turns anymore once you've built up the speed you would accumulate doing nothing but pure carves. Look at any DH racer and tell me they aren't trying to minimize any speed loss and do the purest carve they can. They are also hitting 80+ mph on black/blue terrain. I've yet to see anyone ski like that at a ski area.
I also know what you were saying about carving tracks in soft snow - actually there is no way you can tell if they are a perfect carve like they appear on groomed, but you can see any major skidding vs distinct arcs.
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"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
Dongshow wrote:
So, are you saying that you can't use a technique that is used to teach the progression of a carved alpine turns to make telemark turns? That's pretty profound. Here's a video that describes what everyone else is talking about here Ron and you fail to grasp(well maybe Mikey too)
Now, there is NO way that an alpiner can use this telemark technique to make a carved alpine turn.
I knew exactly what you were talking about.
I'm guessing maybe you aren't getting what I was talking about. Now I'm sure I'm wrong because I'm not a ski instructor or anything but what I was told and taught was that you can combine that carved edging with some skid to either turn tighter than your skis naturally turn or slow your speed.
The place I took lessons for carved skiing talked about the same thing. Making turns and analyzing your tracks and adjusting. I also recall that you could lay down those nice carved lines on entry, then skid out of the turn... the instructor was telling me that when you get really good you can do that at any point, but I don't think I ever did... I stopped checking my tracks after a while. I've watched a lot of other people carve and they very rarely lay down those perfect thin lines the entire time. If you do that perfectly on every run and every turn, then for one I don't know how you ever slow down, and two I don't know how you can make turns anymore once you've built up the speed you would accumulate doing nothing but pure carves. Look at any DH racer and tell me they aren't trying to minimize any speed loss and do the purest carve they can. They are also hitting 80+ mph on black/blue terrain. I've yet to see anyone ski like that at a ski area.
I also know what you were saying about carving tracks in soft snow - actually there is no way you can tell if they are a perfect carve like they appear on groomed, but you can see any major skidding vs distinct arcs.
Yes Mike, I think most skiers of advanced intermediate skill and above know that you can skid to release from a carved turn. If you are carving you control speed on the traverse portion of your arc and you won't continue to pick up speed, that would defy the laws of physics. Yes you can make perfect railroad tracks carving turns until you decide to stop. I see it from ski racers and PSIA examiners at my home hill all the time.
