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Raventele wrote:Jesus Christ..and why did I stop tutoring Logic??
The point is Tele carving is demonstrably WEAKER..Now go tell you cloned cousin puppet Conboy
Are you going down that road again? The problem has nothing to do with logic, it has to do with reading comprehension and/or the ability to self reflect.
Yea reading comprehension..that's it alright!
"Was not trying to carve much, just sliding around having fun."
How stupid do you think I am ? Y'all are so predictable ..
Christ, you made FHW the wreck he is!
"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
I'm serious. This is what they teach and tell you these days. It's all about breaking apart the hockey stop motion and the pure edging, and then apparently combining it back together. But I think the instructors want you to feel the difference and know how to initiate a carved turn by letting the skis do the work, and then use the rotation of your body to add in skid steering.
I don't see how it would be any different for tele vs. alpine provided you are on a parabolic ski.
MikeK wrote:
Yes Mike, I think most skiers of advanced intermediate skill and above know that you can skid to release from a carved turn. If you are carving you control speed on the traverse portion of your arc and you won't continue to pick up speed, that would defy the laws of physics. Yes you can make perfect railroad tracks carving turns until you decide to stop. I see it from ski racers and PSIA examiners at my home hill all the time.
Oh I know what you mean about that. I mean you can traverse right back uphill in your carve if you want to stop.
I'm just saying I don't see many people carving down steep runs doing long traverses. I'm pretty sure they are carving and skidding combined.
I've actually tried doing what you say and I have a hard time on steeper terrain - I think it's mostly mental though and me not getting far enough forward - not trusting the speed you build during the carve more or less. Yes, I believe that is probably a limiting factor for a lot of skiers.
I'm serious. This is what they teach and tell you these days. It's all about breaking apart the hockey stop motion and the pure edging, and then apparently combining it back together. But I think the instructors want you to feel the difference and know how to initiate a carved turn by letting the skis do the work, and then use the rotation of your body to add in skid steering.
I don't see how it would be any different for tele vs. alpine provided you are on a parabolic ski.
So what am I missing?
This fkin dummy, cuz u never watched it and proceeded to join the blabberfest with Conboy..
Notice the difference in lead change.. notice the skeletal support..It's not about the cliche' "hip angulation"..
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"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
There are 2 distinct schools of alpine "pure carving" ..I don't say who is right or wrong..What I do say is the more skeletal support the more likely you will carve with less effort and , in the end, more speed..Tele depends on muscle just like the alpine carving without so much leg spread and lead change..of the 3, Tele is weakest..
"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
I think I posted some of my gripes about how they try to teach you carving at a snails pace when Harry was here (and you scared him off)... I had a real struggle trying to make the motion with the hips and I found out on my own it wasn't necessary, it was only necessary if you didn't have enough speed to lay your body over (much like the first video set you posted where he shows almost no hip motion, which I've watched before).
It's actually exactly like riding a bicycle (here we go again). What happens if you try to turn sharply on a bicycle when you are barely moving? You'll fall if you try to lean with the turn and angle the bike. Once you get some speed you can lean with the bike. It's all about matching the component of normal load that is centered toward the turn. It's the balance of weight with the centripetal acceleration (or centrifugal force if you want to think of it that way).
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That's cuz most people are fearful, Mike..That causes hard-edging which ends pretty predictably..Engage edges with patience and smoothly as the dude in my first vid coaches!! It's a counter-intuitive matter ..Slam the edges and it all breaks loose into skiddy mess.. The harder the snow, the less edge pressure to engage with..it's not an issue of centrifugal force, as you suggest..Because it's centripital
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"Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind, on the road to Shambala"
I get what you are saying Ron - I get what Dong is saying too.
I can't comment on how difficult it is to carve telemark so I'll leave it at that. It seems to me it would only be a small stretch from the Alpine carve provided you have skis that aren't straight.
I thought Alpine carving was kind of boring. It was fun when the conditions were just right and you wanted to really fly. I had a hard time skiing my 'carving' skis in bumps or trees. Sometimes I'd just get out of sync and on shitty, skied off runs and be skidding worse than I ever was...
Like I say if I was in an adult race league I think I'd really be into it. Carving on groomers to me is kind of like driving a race car in a parking lot... but that's just my mentality. Seems lots of people really enjoy it.
