lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

[TallGrass]

you'll end up doing something more like this:
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Yup. That (small transfer, short advance) demonstrates the worst judgement of all. Might be doing tele like things, but not tele turns. Childish, pointless.

^^^ That's me avoiding/negotiating icy patches, rocks, trees, and other "Spring Ski" stuff.
Garlands are a great side-slipping exercise, though, whether forward, backward, laterally, or a mix!

Hopefully the ASCII Artwork helps the OP.

[Manney]

It helps a lot.

Good discussion…. Conditions for proper tele often overlooked. Ppl think quantity… going thru motions. More about opportunity and focus. Need base, snow, slope, time, trail/piste. Latter can be dotted with trees… as long as they don’t get in the way of “line”. Rather have 6-10 good opportunities than “shaking it” on some walking/snowshoe/fat bike trail during the season. Can still use crappy trails, pistes for things. Just not good tele tho.

@connyro … this is one of the nuances in my intro email. Went right over ppls heads. Makes sense for ppl in CO, MT, OR, VT, NH, NY. Superb seasonal conditions. MN, MI, MA so, so.

[lowangle al]

Like MSU said, don't over think it. It's not critical when or where it happens. The lead change should happen as you come off your edges and unweight. The tighter your stance fore /aft, the less movement you need and it will be easier than being too spread out. The key is to always stay centered over your skis.

[connyro]

It helps a lot.

Good discussion…. Conditions for proper tele often overlooked. Ppl think quantity… going thru motions. More about opportunity and focus. Need base, snow, slope, time, trail/piste. Latter can be dotted with trees… as long as they don’t get in the way of “line”. Rather have 6-10 good opportunities than “shaking it” on some walking/snowshoe/fat bike trail during the season. Can still use crappy trails, pistes for things. Just not good tele tho.

@connyro … this is one of the nuances in my intro email. Went right over ppls heads. Makes sense for ppl in CO, MT, OR, VT, NH, NY. Superb seasonal conditions. MN, MI, MA so, so.

Well that's still going over my head I guess. OP asked about how to transition between linked telemark turns in the fall line and how lead change works in telemark turns. They stated they were experienced at alpine sking. Not sure you need to explain how to turn skis in general, just the mechanics of executing linked telemark turns. Also, are you claiming that one can only do telemark turns correctly in good conditions outside of the midwest?

[Montana St Alum]

There are LOTS of ways to skin this cat, that's for sure. I often find that when I ski with someone who I think is doing it wrong, I can't catch up to them to correct their errors!

[Manney]

It helps a lot.

Good discussion…. Conditions for proper tele often overlooked. Ppl think quantity… going thru motions. More about opportunity and focus. Need base, snow, slope, time, trail/piste. Latter can be dotted with trees… as long as they don’t get in the way of “line”. Rather have 6-10 good opportunities than “shaking it” on some walking/snowshoe/fat bike trail during the season. Can still use crappy trails, pistes for things. Just not good tele tho.

@connyro … this is one of the nuances in my intro email. Went right over ppls heads. Makes sense for ppl in CO, MT, OR, VT, NH, NY. Superb seasonal conditions. MN, MI, MA so, so.

Well that's still going over my head I guess. OP asked about how to transition between linked telemark turns in the fall line and how lead change works in telemark turns. They stated they were experienced at alpine sking. Not sure you need to explain how to turn skis in general, just the mechanics of executing linked telemark turns. Also, are you claiming that one can only do telemark turns correctly in good conditions outside of the midwest?

Tendency for these discussions to become a magic show… this is what I do, etc. Most of the magic is at the concept level. Ironically, this is what the OP started with… and there have been some comments that his view might be missing a few things. Stuff like moving both feet, using body, not thinking of things mechanically…. All important for transition, which is more than completing one, two tele turns.

Tele is much, much easier when conditions suit. Sometimes better to wait… hit the hill or backcountry when the conditions are suitable. Or can flog around and get frustrated. Option a sounds better, smarter. So conditions have to be part of the discussion if someone is having difficulty… might not be 100% them. Could be a combo of things working against them.

Yeah. Some places better than others for tele…. Hate to burst anyone’s bubble.

Good discussion here.. including views on utility of alpine experience.

https://www.telemarktalk.com/viewtopic. ... =20#p56441

[Montana St Alum]

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[connyro]

Yeah. Some places better than others for tele…. Hate to burst anyone’s bubble.

Telemark is a method for turning freeheel skis. It works in any reasonable type of snow or conditions. I don't look at weather/snow conditions and think "ooh, tele turns aren't going to work today." I just grab my gear and go. Once you've figured out how to ski tele technique, it work fine anywhere. I don't even own alpine gear because it's unnecessary and I'd never use it.

[Montana St Alum]

Tendency for these discussions to become a magic show… this is what I do, etc. Most of the magic is at the concept level. Ironically, this is what the OP started with…

This was the intro to the OP's question.
"Hi,
I'm new to telemark but have been alpine skiing for a long time.
I'm confused about when the lead change happens..."

[Manney]

That’s my friggin point.. First have to describe the key points of the turn… or else there’s no common frame of reference to describe when the lead change occurs. Second… need to confirm that the skier has a reasonable place to practice.