lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by Montana St Alum » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:41 am

Manney wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:39 am
That’s my friggin point.. First have to describe the key points of the turn… or else there’s no common frame of reference to describe when the lead change occurs.
Your points tend to be...."opaque".

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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by Manney » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:42 am

As opaque as “lots of ways to skin the cat”… “ just go ski and I think it'll come to you”.

Don’t necessarily disagree with those phrases… sometimes repetition, practice more helpful than words… but not a good launching point for calling someone else’s post opaque.
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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by Montana St Alum » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:56 am

Manney wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:42 am
As opaque as “lots of ways to skin the cat”… “ just go ski and I think it'll come to you”.

Don’t necessarily disagree with those phrases… sometimes repetition, practice more helpful than words… but not a good launching point for calling someone else’s post opaque.
This is how I do lead changes:


How do you do them?



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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by Manney » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:20 am

You can use words… Continuous motion… both feet moving… equal weighting… body rotation. You can use diagrams… like Tall Grass. You can use a video. At some point need to break those nice smooth movements down… new telemarkers would miss nuances.

As for my skiing… conditions different. So different points when rotation, lead start.

Conditions are an important part of the discussion… cause if you start tightening line, throwing snow (like in the video when skier tightens lines) when slope is lower, snow is softer, your going to have a hard time keeping speed, flow.
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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by mca80 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:35 am

connyro wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:37 am
Manney wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:41 pm

Yeah. Some places better than others for tele…. Hate to burst anyone’s bubble.
Telemark is a method for turning freeheel skis. It works in any reasonable type of snow or conditions. I don't look at weather/snow conditions and think "ooh, tele turns aren't going to work today." I just grab my gear and go.
If you've got terrible breakable crust out there you still just grab your gear and go out for turns?



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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by connyro » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:45 am

mca80 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:35 am
connyro wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:37 am
Manney wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:41 pm

Yeah. Some places better than others for tele…. Hate to burst anyone’s bubble.
Telemark is a method for turning freeheel skis. It works in any reasonable type of snow or conditions. I don't look at weather/snow conditions and think "ooh, tele turns aren't going to work today." I just grab my gear and go.
If you've got terrible breakable crust out there you still just grab your gear and go out for turns?



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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by Manney » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:05 am

connyro wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:37 am
I don't look at weather/snow conditions and think "ooh, tele turns aren't going to work today." I just grab my gear and go.
Really? You don’t look at weather (temperature, freezing level)… snow conditions… to make a go-no go decision? In the UP?. Wow… I’m doing it all wrong.
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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by connyro » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:22 am

Manney wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:05 am
connyro wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:37 am
I don't look at weather/snow conditions and think "ooh, tele turns aren't going to work today." I just grab my gear and go.
Really? You don’t look at weather (temperature, freezing level)… snow conditions… to make a go-no go decision? In the UP?. Wow… I’m doing it all wrong.
Nice try to distort. Weather or conditions don't dictate tele vs alpine. If conditions suck, I won't ski. If conditions are reasonable, I'll ski tele 100% of the time. Does that help clear things up?



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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by Manney » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:26 am

Distort? Just posted what you wrote… lol

Here’s another one…
connyro wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:22 am
Weather or conditions don't dictate tele vs alpine.
Yer sayin that you don’t match gear, technique to conditions… lol.
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Re: lead change.. getting to the in fall line?

Post by lowangle al » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:29 am

"If you don't go you won't know" Surface conditions are sometimes hard to predict in the bc. They can change daily even with no new snow, sometimes for the better.

As far as this thread, I assumed the OP was resort skiing and wasn't concerned with the conditions.



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