Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
New listing. Karhu Jak Team Edition. Spanish Army. Date verified.
Now up to 20 skis, used by 18 nations (Austria, Canada, Chile, China, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Norway, Poland, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Switzerland, UK, US)
Now up to 20 skis, used by 18 nations (Austria, Canada, Chile, China, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Norway, Poland, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Switzerland, UK, US)
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Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
Ahh!........so you’ve finally decided that your Chileans are Spanish after all.
But then there’s this:
Wrong on that count as well. The visible logo is not of Atomic, but I’ll let you figure that one out by yourself – as you wouldn’t believe me anyhow.
Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
Agreed with you three out of four times. The one time I didn’t, you started running your mouth about ego. Hilarious.
You said that the troops were not Chilean because, among other things, they were armed with G36 assault rifles. You were wrong. My posts acknowledged the possibility that Chilean and Spanish forces used the same cam smock. Not good enough for you.
That was your second time playing games ffs. The first was here…
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5999&start=20#p61382
Suggested that identifying skis wasn’t possible without knowing the location. Then banged on about the bindings. When you did reveal the location, you added nothing on the skis. Gave you the the benefit of the doubt at the time.
If you want to contribute something useful, talk about skis… or start a thread on bindings… boots. In other words, productively contribute to the knowledge base on this forum instead of hiding behind knowledge you claim to possess but won’t share.
You said that the troops were not Chilean because, among other things, they were armed with G36 assault rifles. You were wrong. My posts acknowledged the possibility that Chilean and Spanish forces used the same cam smock. Not good enough for you.
That was your second time playing games ffs. The first was here…
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5999&start=20#p61382
Suggested that identifying skis wasn’t possible without knowing the location. Then banged on about the bindings. When you did reveal the location, you added nothing on the skis. Gave you the the benefit of the doubt at the time.
If you want to contribute something useful, talk about skis… or start a thread on bindings… boots. In other words, productively contribute to the knowledge base on this forum instead of hiding behind knowledge you claim to possess but won’t share.
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Jurassien
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- Joined: Tue May 10, 2022 12:12 pm
- Location: Switzerland
- Ski style: Nordic touring; Alpine touring
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Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
……which is what I have done – several times.
I can’t be arsed discussing further with someone whose infallibility would put the man in the Vatican to shame.
It’s your thread, so you can post up whatever horse shite you like – I doubt if anyone will notice.
Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
Yours is a minority position. Bet you gripe like that at home too…
Anyone finding the facts in this thread unhelpful, uninteresting or inaccurate can vote you into the majority.
The ballot box is now open….
Anyone finding the facts in this thread unhelpful, uninteresting or inaccurate can vote you into the majority.
The ballot box is now open….
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Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
Your research is interesting to me. Interesting in all of the military have programs that require skis and get them where they can.
Guys in WWII forums get into heated debates on who wore what patch when and where when the answer is there is no definitive answer.
Guys in WWII forums get into heated debates on who wore what patch when and where when the answer is there is no definitive answer.
Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
Agree.
Unless the forces are from a country with a substantial ski industry, their specific identities are relatively unimportant. This is because forces from countries with a ski industry can sometimes, but not always, buy the homegrown product. It can help narrow things down… but not by much (for reasons that will follow).
Countries that have forces with broad regional or international obligations seem to buy skis suitable for broader use. These aren’t specialized for one specific region’s environment. So if their national industries manufacture such skis, fine. Otherwise, they buy foreign. There’s no advantage to distinguishing between these nations for the purposes of identifying a ski.
Militaries restricted to operating within their own territories buy domestically, provided suitable skis are available. Austria, Finland, Norway, Japan and Switzerland fall into this category at the moment. Finland may evolve away from this following its ascension to NATO. Norway already has enough diversity in its military inventory and domestic manufacturing base to satisfy any need that may arise.
There’s probably some anecdotal interest matching national forces to skis, but it doesn’t really help in the identification of the skis themselves. Nor does it lead to any conclusions that could assist ppl buying a specific military ski for personal use. The US, UK, Canada, France, Germany and Russia appear to use skis suitable for use throughout much of Europe, North America, or the Polar region. That’s 1/3 of the planet, give or take.
Its purpose on this list is as a basic yes/no discriminator: Is the ski used by a military or paramilitary force for operations? After that, it all becomes academic. This is why national identities are contained in the notes section of each posting. They are an anecdote, not a headline. Photos of troops are used to make things a little more visually interesting.
The location of precisely where skis are being used is even less relevent to ski identification. Most nations ski with what they have… one ski quivers. Maybe two, if they split their effort between alpine and cross country. Knowing whether the US soldiers in a picture are in Germany or Italy doesn’t point to skis whose differences are already quite apparent. An Asnes Combat NATO doesn’t look anything like an Icelantic. A blind man can see that. You don’t need to know that they’re in the Alps to distinguish between the two… or any other skis for that matter. It’s just fluffery.
The most useful tool for identifying skis in the project is an unambiguously clear photo of the ski itself.
Unless the forces are from a country with a substantial ski industry, their specific identities are relatively unimportant. This is because forces from countries with a ski industry can sometimes, but not always, buy the homegrown product. It can help narrow things down… but not by much (for reasons that will follow).
Countries that have forces with broad regional or international obligations seem to buy skis suitable for broader use. These aren’t specialized for one specific region’s environment. So if their national industries manufacture such skis, fine. Otherwise, they buy foreign. There’s no advantage to distinguishing between these nations for the purposes of identifying a ski.
Militaries restricted to operating within their own territories buy domestically, provided suitable skis are available. Austria, Finland, Norway, Japan and Switzerland fall into this category at the moment. Finland may evolve away from this following its ascension to NATO. Norway already has enough diversity in its military inventory and domestic manufacturing base to satisfy any need that may arise.
There’s probably some anecdotal interest matching national forces to skis, but it doesn’t really help in the identification of the skis themselves. Nor does it lead to any conclusions that could assist ppl buying a specific military ski for personal use. The US, UK, Canada, France, Germany and Russia appear to use skis suitable for use throughout much of Europe, North America, or the Polar region. That’s 1/3 of the planet, give or take.
Its purpose on this list is as a basic yes/no discriminator: Is the ski used by a military or paramilitary force for operations? After that, it all becomes academic. This is why national identities are contained in the notes section of each posting. They are an anecdote, not a headline. Photos of troops are used to make things a little more visually interesting.
The location of precisely where skis are being used is even less relevent to ski identification. Most nations ski with what they have… one ski quivers. Maybe two, if they split their effort between alpine and cross country. Knowing whether the US soldiers in a picture are in Germany or Italy doesn’t point to skis whose differences are already quite apparent. An Asnes Combat NATO doesn’t look anything like an Icelantic. A blind man can see that. You don’t need to know that they’re in the Alps to distinguish between the two… or any other skis for that matter. It’s just fluffery.
The most useful tool for identifying skis in the project is an unambiguously clear photo of the ski itself.
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Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
Not disparaging the Swedish Army. The troops ski with what they’re given… but maybe it’s time for better skis. Loosen the purse strings, Stockholm!
It might be a way of getting klister on or off, but building a bonfire isn’t such a bad idea either.
Not trying too hard to identify these skis. They’re whipped and look like they could have been made by any cottage industry. Besides, how many TT members would be interested in adding these to their quivers when the Swedish military is done with them?
MILITARY SKI TRIVIA. During the Russo-Finland “Winter War”, the Finnish Army raised and employed units locally. The conscripts fought to protect their homes and villages. Many brought their personal skis with them, which were ideally suited to the terrain and conditions on which they fought. Home made skis weren’t uncommon. The point is that cottage industry skis have their uses, but their designs are usually restricted to local conditions (because the companies don’t market to other regions or countries).
Comprehensive coverage of the winter war is here
http://ndl.ethernet.edu.et/bitstream/12 ... 34.pdf.pdf
MILITARY SKI TRIVIA. During the Russo-Finland “Winter War”, the Finnish Army raised and employed units locally. The conscripts fought to protect their homes and villages. Many brought their personal skis with them, which were ideally suited to the terrain and conditions on which they fought. Home made skis weren’t uncommon. The point is that cottage industry skis have their uses, but their designs are usually restricted to local conditions (because the companies don’t market to other regions or countries).
Comprehensive coverage of the winter war is here
http://ndl.ethernet.edu.et/bitstream/12 ... 34.pdf.pdf
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Re: Military Ski Master List (w/ Photos)
New listing. Fischer Sceneo S100 (60-70% confidence level). Observed in use by IDF 2018. Seems like a long time ago… but Israel’s only ski hill (Mt Hermon, which borders Syria and is a modest slope) is open around 30 days a year. So skis unlikely to see enough use to wear them out in a few seasons.
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