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If your looking to go with Voile I would recommend the V6 or Ultravectors. I own the hypervectors, and V6s. I ski with the axl bindings on the v6 and have the Voile Hardwires on the Hypervectors. The V6 is a bit softer and easier to turn in the trees or steeper terrain and rips in soft snow. The vectors however do better on harder snow and kick and glide better then the V6. I tried the ultravectors in the aspen core and seem to like those better then my hyper vectors. Less chatter it seems on the aspen core when going down steep hardpack. So I caved in and ordered some lynx/ultravectors bcs. I know I have an addiction.
By the way I would not recommend Summit Cone, just my 2cents. Had a set and ended up returning them due to manfucture issues with wavy bases. Waited 6 months for the skis to arrive and ended up dissappointed. Skied way too stiff and were difficult to turn on steeps. I found my self side stepping turns or slowing way down because how stiff those skis were.
First, I am going to second the above: I am over-the-moon-in-LOVE with my V6's. They are like the magic ski of magicness. Impossible to explain until you get on them real low and snake through the trees like a deadly viper!
However, I don't like them too much on firm hard groomed, they are fine and doable but don't spark joy in these conditions, but that's to be expected in a ski that doesn't have a lot of effective sidecut on the cambered portions of the ski (the rockered, shaped portion remains airborn). But if you're skiing mostly soft snow this ski is the SUN conquering the NIGHT.
Second: Thank you very much for your thoughts on the SC... you got the Pariah right? Did you find them to flex stiffer than the Ultravector? I was actually going to go look at a pair today, and do some fingernail biting.
I got the Vagabonds. Same as the Pariah but with scales and lighter wood core. The flex was leaps and bounds stiffer then my hypervectors especially the tails. I did a few runs and then took my V6/vectors out the same day. Dramatically stiffer on the Summit Cones. My boots are t2s and also got some bumble bee T1s. Some guys love stiff skis, I dont.
Cant go wrong with V6, they are so much fun in the trees. When I am doing longer approach outings I am usually on my vectors.
I cant wait to test the lynx and my new tx pros. Im patiently waiting on a Voile special order of the white military vectors.
My understanding is that not all skis can have tele bindings mounted. Black-crow skis for one can’t. Their warranty doesn’t cover damage to Freebird skis from using telemark bindings.
I actually have the Black Crow's Camox Freebird with the Lynx and TX Pros. Didn't notice the warning until after I got the skis (whoops). But after 3 days on them, I've had zero issues. I realize that's not a lot of time, but they've been fine so far. I recently ripped my BD O1's out of some K2 Coombacks after maybe 7 years on them, so I think it's a risk even if it's an "approved" ski/binding combo, as I guess you've found out as well.
My understanding is that not all skis can have tele bindings mounted. Black-crow skis for one can’t. Their warranty doesn’t cover damage to Freebird skis from using telemark bindings.
I actually have the Black Crow's Camox Freebird with the Lynx and TX Pros. Didn't notice the warning until after I got the skis (whoops). But after 3 days on them, I've had zero issues. I realize that's not a lot of time, but they've been fine so far. I recently ripped my BD O1's out of some K2 Coombacks after maybe 7 years on them, so I think it's a risk even if it's an "approved" ski/binding combo, as I guess you've found out as well.
Do you think this warranty against tele is a leftover policy from when there was no titanal binding plate? I'm thinking about mounting some Meidjos on the Camox Freebird.
Do you think this warranty against tele is a leftover policy from when there was no titanal binding plate? I'm thinking about mounting some Meidjos on the Camox Freebird.
That's a really good point. I do feel pretty good about them, knowing there's that titanal binding plate in there. I like the ski so far, so I think if you want to do it, go for it.
Regarding mounting tele bindings, if you ski aggressively, or ski backcountry on gear that includes stiffer boots and active bindings, I'd recommend using inserts. I've pulled bindings out of skis before and I'm only 5'8" tall and 155 or so. I ski bumps out west, a lot, and the torque involved will pull a binding. If you are backcountry and it happens, it'll be a very unpleasant experience.
They're not that expensive, make the mount bombproof, and allow you to transfer bindings between skis if you want to use a single binding between multiple pairs of skis.
I loved your 1970s story and Tom’s photo – both priceless .
I can you please confirm if recommended ‘inserts” are something like these…
I am thinking about building my first tele skis using Head Kore 93 and Meidjo or Lynx bindings. I anticipate high pull out risk on bumps and steeps. Thx.
This is my second season on Tele, last year i got black crows Serpo 93 wide 180 long (im 190cm and 86kg). I initially wanted narrower but the guy in the store insisted on me getting this and there is H metal plate on the skis and he mentioned how important this is for not ripping off the buddings. In general i love the skis, they are really good on groomers and hard pack and you can even adventure yourself on powder.
This year i got excited and bought true powder tele skis, i got the Armada JJ UL 116 with 191 long and 22design bandit bidings. On my first ski trial while skiing back to car park i ripped of the bidings from the ski... literally on first day!
I read on the forum, seems a lot of ppl hv JJ on teles, is it an issue of the ski (UL version) or maybe the bidings?
Im contacting the shop where i bought it and see if i can return them but what should i get instead for powder days?
i liked the JJ116 , quite flex and nice float. I live in Switzerland so no Voile here (seems to be quite popular on tele forums)
The other great thing about the '70's was that I wasn't almost in my 70's!
Nice picture!
Where was that?
Nice YouTube channel, BTW.
Great Montana Ski story. The photo was taken in the Absaroka's of Wyoming. We would build a snow cave as a base and spend a week skiing the nearby slopes. I was very proud of that orange wind/snow outfit. I sewed it myself out of that new fangled ripstop. It made a great cover for the wool knicker. I had a bunch left over from an expedition tent.Tom's home sewn winter expedition tent
My wife lived in Cooke City Montana for two years after college, worked for Yellowstone on trail-crew, in a cafe in the winter, spent another year working in Red Lodge. Since Beartooth Pass closes for the winter, the only way to get to Cooke City in winter is via the N Entrance of the Park. The pic of the cop-shop is from an (April 2004 ?) when we were back in the states and visited some of her old friends there including the awesome local band the Beef Lips. Montana was a great state but it is getting ruined rapidly now by the usual suspects. Bridger Bowl is the best lift serviced skiing in the US.
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The other great thing about the '70's was that I wasn't almost in my 70's!
Nice picture!
Where was that?
Nice YouTube channel, BTW.
Great Montana Ski story. The photo was taken in the Absaroka's of Wyoming. We would build a snow cave as a base and spend a week skiing the nearby slopes. I was very proud of that orange wind/snow outfit. I sewed it myself out of that new fangled ripstop. It made a great cover for the wool knicker. I had a bunch left over from an expedition tent.Tom's home sewn winter expedition tent
My wife lived in Cooke City Montana for two years after college, worked for Yellowstone on trail-crew, in a cafe in the winter, spent another year working in Red Lodge. Since Beartooth Pass closes for the winter, the only way to get to Cooke City in winter is via the N Entrance of the Park. The pic of the cop-shop is from an (April 2004 ?) when we were back in the states and visited some of her old friends there including the awesome local band the B-Flips. Montana was a great state but it is getting ruined rapidly now by the usual suspects. Bridger Bowl is the best lift serviced skiing in the US.
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