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MikeK wrote:I know I said something about side-to-side stability.
I stand up and ski like that when I lose my stability. I don't see anything wrong with switching between alpine turns and tele turns in the same run. Some will say it's a mark inexperience and lack of skill - that's true, but most skiers, particularly using XCD gear, need to use every trick we can. If you don't, you'll get frustrated, give up and go ski AT or Heavy Tele.
Someone like Johnny who skis every day during the winter and skis a lot of XCD may be able to tele everything. For those of us who aren't ski bums and who live in areas where it's harder to get or get to consistent snow, you do what works.
I'm certainly not an expert, but I know what worked for me to break over the line of "tele is mysterious and confusing and I'm kind of scared to try" to "tele is not so bad and actually really fun". It was mostly just trying and getting a feel for those things I mentioned.
I cannot fucking stand all the discouraging tele "experts" and internet trolls out there that make skiing into some kind of mysterious cult or try to convince you, you need to buy a certain type of equipment and go about it a certain way. I'm sure plastic boots and modern skis make it easier, but it was never necessary, and it never will be. By the same token I can't stand the old school asswipes who prattle on about leather and skinnies endlessly.
It all works, pick your poison and work at it. You'll figure what you like and don't like.
Amen brother.
I would add:
Pick your joy and go fucking skiing- and I am not directing this at you personally my dear fellow Nordic skier.
Cross-country AND down-hill skiing in the backcountry.
Unashamed to be a "cross-country type" and love skiing down-hill.
Cannatonic wrote:>>> By the same token I can't stand the old school asswipes who prattle on about leather and skinnies endlessly.
we know...they've all been purged
Define "All"?
Just cuz I can't stand you, doesn't mean I'm going to ban you... capiche?
It's a shame to drift this thread this way, but think of it like this. Somebody owns a house. They pay for it, they let you come over, talk, show off, do what you want... don't really impose any rules or regs - don't ask for money or your time. If you come and disrespect that person do you expect to be invited back? Especially if that person tells you nicely when you step over the line.
It's kinda like that - think about it. You can hide behind an anonymous screen name, but in the end, your actions will always speak for you. I don't make the choices, they are made by you. You decide how you want to be. And if you shit in the house you built, you might not be asked back. I can't say what it will be, there is no set rule. Just act like a respectable person and if you get in a tangle, make up, move on, or ignore that person. My first action is always confrontation and resolution. That's all I can say.
Good imitation of a mid level intermediate alpine skier. I ski the Outtabounds, which I think is similar, and it's capable of skiing a lot tighter stuff than that although it is not a hardpack ski. Out east today was marked with deep heavy snow in the trees, so I switched from Outta to my vintage X-Terrains (all pins) as they handle the off conditions a little better. Either will make turns as tight as you need, but the variable is what speed you want to go. I think sometimes vids look like the person is bombing down in semi control - like a low intermediate alpine skier, but I'm not sure if that is just a factor of the camera? Seems the majority of the vids look that way these days. Seems like that skier could have made plenty of turns if he wanted to, but that wasn't how he wanted to ski. I doubt many people can reach the limitations of any of the gear out there today, it's all really good stuff...
StormyMonday wrote:Good imitation of a mid level intermediate alpine skier. I ski the Outtabounds, which I think is similar, and it's capable of skiing a lot tighter stuff than that although it is not a hardpack ski. Out east today was marked with deep heavy snow in the trees, so I switched from Outta to my vintage X-Terrains (all pins) as they handle the off conditions a little better. Either will make turns as tight as you need, but the variable is what speed you want to go. I think sometimes vids look like the person is bombing down in semi control - like a low intermediate alpine skier, but I'm not sure if that is just a factor of the camera? Seems the majority of the vids look that way these days. Seems like that skier could have made plenty of turns if he wanted to, but that wasn't how he wanted to ski. I doubt many people can reach the limitations of any of the gear out there today, it's all really good stuff...
Did we watch the same video? It looked like a guy having fun on skis with his dog
The camera tends to make things look a little slower IMO, but it depends on where it is mounted - on the helmet - slower, on the chest - faster i.e. closer to the ground and/or point closer to the subject, it looks faster - if you aim straight out into nothing and have the camera up high it will look much slower.
If you need to get side to side stability doing t-turns open your skis up to hip or shoulder width apart. Doing this will also make it easier to feel each ski independently.
lilcliffy wrote:If you mean smashing your thumb on the ground as one carves an aggressive high-speed telemark when the snow is not deep- YES- and it F'IN hurts!
So I see you've been there. Refer to my previous post about the open turn.
20 years ago I used to alpine ski with "Thumbsaver" gloves. I sincerely hope I have cured myself of sticking my thumb into the hard snow. Man, that freaking hurts just thinking about it.
