Hammerheads have arrived, Now where to mount?

[fisheater]

A used set of Hammerheads have arrived. The most active binding I have skied is a Rainey Super Loop so it should be interesting. The Super Loop is more active than a Hardwire isn't it?
Back to the point, I will be mounting the HH on a late 99 - 00 or so Volkl Vertigo G-21, it was the softer flexing version. Ski is a 188 cm 114-70-93. It will be strictly a Michigan resort ski, however years ago it was quite found of skiing in Utah.
I know there are some guys that ski heavier gear, any old enough to have thoughts about mounting old gear. BTW I miss pointing them down steep terrain if that matters. With alpine boots these skis handled steep and icy as well as steep and deep. That of course was when fat powder skis had camber and no sidecut.
Thank you, I appreciate everybody's thoughts.
Bob

[MikeK]

According to 22D...

https://twentytwodesigns.3dcartstores.c ... mplate.pdf

[mainer]

Mounting your pin line on chord center is a somewhat outdated technique for placing tele bindings, and will put your boot pretty far back. Trying to keep tips up in powder with skinny skis, that might be of benefit. If you're skiing groomers with relatively modern skis, probably not.

You can try to dig up the mount specs from the manufacturer, but it will probably be hard with an older ski.
What I would do is figure out where you need to put the pin line to keep the boot center in the same spot as you had with the alpine mount. Most manufacturers are giving the same mount spot for both alpine and tele now. Since you're basically trying to center your boot on the sidecut of the ski, it makes sense.

All else fails, put the boot on the ski and see where it "looks right." Additionally, maybe measure one more time if it looks weird.

[TomH]

I've only had one ski where I didn't like boot center on the manufacturer's recommended line, especially for an 'alpine' ski, so my advice would be to start there. At least with hammerheads, you could pretty easily move the binding one set of holes back or forward if you don't like the original mount, as the 6 holes are evenly spaced.

[fisheater]

Gentleman, Thank you. I was under the impression boot center on center mark on ski was the way to go. Tom, thank you for mentioning the fact the HH is easy to move, greatly appreciated. Mike, thanks for taking the time to go on 22 Designs. I started there as well. I found something a bit different. It was similar to CC, with the exception you only measured to the point where the tail flares up. You then divided by two, and marked the pin line by measuring that quotient from the tip.
I will measure boot center and make my own mark on my T-4's. I guess the nice thing is that I still have that alpine boot. I will be able to compare everything. Mainer, I am not smart enough to know what looks right. I usually just learn how to ski what I have. I have had a couple boots and one ski that just didn't ever ski right. Guess that doesn't always work!

[mainer]

I will measure boot center and make my own mark on my T-4's.

Just as a note, boot center on a tele boot is pin line to boot heel divided by two, not from the end of the duckbill to the heel.

[fisheater]

I will measure boot center and make my own mark on my T-4's.

Just as a note, boot center on a tele boot is pin line to boot heel divided by two, not from the end of the duckbill to the heel.

I did not know that, thank you

[mainer]

I will measure boot center and make my own mark on my T-4's.

Just as a note, boot center on a tele boot is pin line to boot heel divided by two, not from the end of the duckbill to the heel.

I did not know that, thank you

I mean, it would only make a difference of about 7 mm in where the bindings ended up, which you would almost certainly never notice while skiing.... but for whatever reason, it is the way they do it.

[Harris]

I'm with the others who say boot center. 22 Designs (I have their AXL, VICE and Outlaw bindings) goes off of a backcountry skiing theory; i.e. the farther back the binding the more the tips will float. On resort conditions this makes the skis sluggish to initiate: IMO. And they won't edge as well: again IMO. Further, if you buy tele skis this theory is probably accounted for in the ski MFG recommended boot center point: I don't ski tele specific skis anymore. As far as 22 Designs recommendation theory: I ski K2 Pinnacle 95 and Praxis Prophet skis for powder. They have tips so fat you would have to beg them to tip dive. Just saying'.