First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

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First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by Theme » Thu Nov 03, 2022 5:41 am

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These boots look rad, there is no doubt about it! Although a friend of mine was sad the strip of colored leather on the side is missing, compared to the Guide Expedition BC version :D

I cannot speak for the BC-sizing, but the Xplore at least is HUGE. They have a wool liner inside, with two loops to pull it out. No loops to pull the tongue open on inner or outer. No loop on the back of outer to help push the foot in/pull foot out. The two inner loops help with pushing the foot in. However, the ankle area is tight. It is tough to push your foot in, it requires great force. I can imagine this becoming easier in the long run as boots are broken in, but still, this can be annoying when trying to have socks/vbl stay how you like them. They should have extended the tongue sides a little to allow more room. Feels like a hockey skate.

The boot laces are barely long enough - you cannot leave the laces loose one bit, or it becomes impossible to tie a knot while using all lace hooks. Regardless, 20cm more length to the laces would help, currently these are too short for use in the field in cold weather. You cannot take long fiddling with lacing, and especially if using a glove, these laces are near impossible to tie. Can be replaced of course.

A regular Joe like me could not find good size tables on the website, at least on mobile, so I went with my regular Alfa-boot size as they have been roomy enough for me. I took an EU41, but the Mondo size for that seems to be 279mm. I should have gone for 40 or even 39. I have emailed them about this and a few things to find me the better size. I did wear a liner, vbl, and a medium thick wool sock.

The boots weigh in at 1030 grams per boot, including the liner at 170g a piece. Compared to the 900g in catalogue. Maybe those weights were without the liner although it is required to be able to use the boot comfortably.

Abisku Expedition Xplore are a stiff boot. Can be compared to other double leathers. I can imagine these boots giving unbeaten control on the downhill, in cold weather as they are very warm boots. The shaft is high but not too high. The flex zone is a little further back than on Alaska XP (of which 41 would be best for downhill, 42 for long distances, and 43 in very cold weather to fit in more sock). But, compared to the Alpina, I think flexing the frontfoot and compressing it to a telemark stance is a lot easier. It likes to stay down better. Probably as when the stiff boot flexes, it also requires a bit of momentum to spring back. This is because the flex point is a bit further back - you can lever more force on it.

My experience is, that the BC version was the most durable out of all BC-boots I have seen or tried on, and Lundhags' warranty is killer. I hope to see these boots live up to the Swedish brand's reputation

There is a thinner, lighter option, the Abisku Xplore boot. It is not as high-rising, and it seems smaller on the outside yet it still has a removable liner. I have skied along testers of these and they could not tell anything bad about them after 1300km of nordic ski touring. For now, I am looking to replace the Expedition boots with a correct size.

I have not skied these yet, nor have I yet mounted my skis with Xplore. The first pair will probably be the Åsnes FT62 Xplore, but do not expect much from me in regards of telemark capability rundown, since I have very little pure telemark experience. But I can imagine these boots to be easier to start with, than the considerably less supporting Alaska XP.

A disclaimer: although these boots cost me next to nothing, I am not paid to test these boots, nor am I getting these boots cheap for testing. I combined a discount code from skiing Vita Bandet in Sweden last winter, and a credit from testing a Lundhags backpack which is released the coming spring. So no sponsorship no nothing, 100% my choice of what to get and what to do with it
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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by Musk Ox » Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:06 pm

Oh my god they're beautiful.

Thanks so much for the review!

As a Lundhags lined winter boot-owner (hiking boots and ski boots) in my experience the initial tightness goes away once they're broken in. It's often a bit of a job to get them on and they feel tight for about ten minutes, but they accommodate thick socks even though it doesn't feel like they will. And they do become a little easier to lace.

What are you going to treat them with? I use some weird Norwegian home made goo.

This is such a good review.



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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by Theme » Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:42 pm

Musk Ox wrote:
Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:06 pm
Oh my god they're beautiful.

Thanks so much for the review!

As a Lundhags lined winter boot-owner (hiking boots and ski boots) in my experience the initial tightness goes away once they're broken in. It's often a bit of a job to get them on and they feel tight for about ten minutes, but they accommodate thick socks even though it doesn't feel like they will. And they do become a little easier to lace.

What are you going to treat them with? I use some weird Norwegian home made goo.

This is such a good review.
Thanks for the insight! It adds on.

No idea how I am going to treat them yet - first thinking of the correct size. Kinda have to have a tunnel vision in some things to keep up sanity :D

I was thinking maybe I should post this under the reviews, but I personally do not like to make "reviews" based on initial thoughts and not prolonged use. Literally was the first to order these when they became available, and I had them for just 1 hour before this post



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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by TheMusher » Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:26 am

This is top level craftmanship.

Possibly the best leather ski boot ever made? Can't wait to hear from the field reviews of these.

Already having the Guide Expedtion 75s, I'm definitely getting these.



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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by comradeporcupine » Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:50 pm

I really wish Lundhags had decent distribution here in Canada. I don't own any skis with Xplore, but would consider getting outfitted just to play way with these.



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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by JohnSKepler » Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:15 pm

I've been waiting, and waiting, and waiting to try the Alpina Pioneer Vital but I'm beginning to think there may be some kind of logistic issue that will prevent their release. As I'm a relative new comer to this sport I'm going all-in with Xplore. I've seen and heard the arguments for 75mm and such, and I agree with them in principle, but I'm not in the mood for perusing the classified ads for an old pair of 75mm leathers.

So, I'm wondering if these would be a viable alternative???

Now the Pioneer, in the reviews, had a very nice bellows. It doesn't look like these have much of a bellows so are going to be more suited to telemark than the XC BC or even XCD that are my primary areas of interest. I'm also trying out the Alfa Free which doesn't have a bellows either but the Free does have that double BOA and loosening the top BOA, at the loss of lateral stiffness, gives you the bellows you'll need to kick and glide and they are very easy to tighten back up. These boots could do that but you'd have to remove gloves and lace, then remove gloves and lace, then...
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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by Theme » Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:15 am

JohnSKepler wrote:
Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:15 pm
I've been waiting, and waiting, and waiting to try the Alpina Pioneer Vital but I'm beginning to think there may be some kind of logistic issue that will prevent their release. As I'm a relative new comer to this sport I'm going all-in with Xplore. I've seen and heard the arguments for 75mm and such, and I agree with them in principle, but I'm not in the mood for perusing the classified ads for an old pair of 75mm leathers.

So, I'm wondering if these would be a viable alternative???

Now the Pioneer, in the reviews, had a very nice bellows. It doesn't look like these have much of a bellows so are going to be more suited to telemark than the XC BC or even XCD that are my primary areas of interest. I'm also trying out the Alfa Free which doesn't have a bellows either but the Free does have that double BOA and loosening the top BOA, at the loss of lateral stiffness, gives you the bellows you'll need to kick and glide and they are very easy to tighten back up. These boots could do that but you'd have to remove gloves and lace, then remove gloves and lace, then...
I am also very closely following when Alpina can start shipping the Pioneer Pro. I am mostly stoked for the reduced weight for long-distance nordic touring, but also the added stiffness for some XCD practise. I got the Abisku Expedition XP for very cold tours and downhill. Weight is a bit much for longer distances. I have hears rumora of Alfa going Xplore in coming years for their A/P/S boots which would be my pick for ver cold tours instead. So, I am left wondering if I should go with the thinner and lighter Abisku Xp instead...

I got a reply from Lundhags, that the Abisku Xplore (comparable to Guide BC) weighs 855g in size 42EU). Pretty much only differences to Expedition are the thinner inner liner, and the last is not as wide. Also shaft height is less.

As far as I have tried the Alfa Free on, the toe pinch is not suited for distance skiing imo



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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by Musk Ox » Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:45 am

Theme wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:15 am

I got a reply from Lundhags, that the Abisku Xplore (comparable to Guide BC) weighs 855g in size 42EU). Pretty much only differences to Expedition are the thinner inner liner, and the last is not as wide. Also shaft height is less.
That's interesting. I've got two pairs of Lundhags boots with the Expedition/ Guide last and they're ridiculously comfortable. I have a wide forefoot.



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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by TheMusher » Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:23 am

Continuing the discussion here..
Theme wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:49 am
ou don't really flex the ball of foot much while striding. I think this does make K&G more efficient - the foot does not tire, but you lose most of the feel. You need to learn a different technique of pressuring the wax pocket
Right! So it sounds like you would probably exert your calf and foot muscles less? Is there a case for saying it would akin to stiff-soled hiking boots - advantageous to conserve energy for longer trips, and maybe less satisfactory for speedy, shorter trips?

I'm an old school Nordic skier, so not sure whether I'll appreciate it or not. Guess I'll need to try it.

Oh and thanks for the feedback - very insightful.
Theme wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:49 am
Yup. I am not a fan of the pivoting lace hooks either. Lacing these boots requires some very strong shoulders, as one has to apply force to some very odd directions during the process...
Yeah. I'm used to it so I've come to appreciate it, but I can easily see how others may not.

For me, their shell boot lacing expands the range of the boots properties:
- Full lacing only when I need maximum support
- Lower lacing when I need more comfort and less resistance
- Laces-around-the-ancle when I need more comfort and grip around the ancles.
- Skip certain lacing hooks if it is necessary alleviate pressure points (Have you tried this with your situation?)



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Re: First look of Lundhags Abisku Expedition Xplore boots

Post by Theme » Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:34 am

TheMusher wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:21 am
Theme wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:49 am
You don't really flex the ball of foot much while striding. I think this does make K&G more efficient - the foot does not tire, but you lose most of the feel. You need to learn a different technique of pressuring the wax pocket
TheMusher wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:21 am
Right! So it sounds like you would probably exert your calf and foot muscles less? Is there a case for saying it would akin to stiff-soled hiking boots - advantageous to conserve energy for longer trips, and maybe less satisfactory for speedy, shorter trips?

I'm an old school Nordic skier, so not sure whether I'll appreciate it or not. Guess I'll need to try it.
I do not agree with the argument with the hiking boots in that context, since in hiking boots the added weight of a stiffer boot usually is a total loss in energy compared to a trail running shoe. A strong ankle is a better option for me, over a stiffer boot that makes me prone to trip/and f up my knees instead. Where the stiffer hiking boots excel, though only the lighter ones, is extended climbing and traversing off the trails.

This translates over to skiing - you will be traversing and edging the ski very often - more stable boots, less energy exerted. Stiff boots let you steer better when you are anyways not going to be dropping the knee - pulling a pulk or carrying a very heavy pack.
You will be kicking and gliding most of the time. Why not use the equipment to your advantage when off the groomers. There is very little weight penalty in Nordic BC ski boots compared to hiking shoewear choices.

The question is, what does one intend to do the most.



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