Free entry into Russia for Westerners

[telerat]

You are a gaslighting fascist piece of shit. How about you look at the EU and USA? And what would you think if Russia set up military bases at YOUR border? And this despite prior pledges of no further eastward NATO expansion. You and people like you are a serious threat to freedom-loving independent thinkers everywhere.

I think your reply shows more what you are. Like Russians projecting what they are thinking and willing to do on others. Killing many thousands of your neighbors and own population for political gains is what I would call pure evil. And calling supporting Ukraine in the defence of their freedom a threat to freedom is pretty far out there.

[blitzskier]

sounds enticing for Amerikanskis,, just do your mandatory Mill. service in Ukraine, and maybe you have good life with pretty nieghbor lady

[blitzskier]

i have to laugh cause the truth hurts. otherwise i'll cry ... so true, America is a mess, there are no women worth marrying in USA.

[Capercaillie]

@mca80 There is no need for name-calling or insults. Unfortunately, people fall victim to government propaganda, and it is not their fault.

As a small country, NATO is our insurance against Russia. We did not believe that it could be this bad before the Ukraine war though. Devaluing other people was the way WW2, the Rwandan genocide and other wars have started. Any people has value and none should not be oppressed, regardless of beliefs, color, sex or otherwise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

I think you are confusing Ukraine and Russia:

The degradation of Ukraine's society post-2014 US sponsored coup is extreme to the point of absurdity: this summer, neo-Nazi Svoboda party former MP from Lviv Iryna Farion was assassinated by a NS/WP neo-Nazi from Dnipro.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/0 ... z-j27.html

As far as Americans visiting foreign countries:

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/us-jo ... ed-family/

The truth is that more Ukrainian refugees chose to go to Russia than any other country. There are currently more than 1.2 million Ukrainian refugees in Russia.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/131 ... y-country/

As a Norwegian, it is not surprising that you have become a victim of media disinformation. A very good example of this is the NRK (Norwegian state media) coverage of the death of Norwegian white supremacist Stian Alexander Nordhaug Meland in Ukraine:

https://www.nrk.no/tromsogfinnmark/nord ... 1.16676569

What is remarkable is the photograph of Stian used by NRK. His chest patch has been blurred, and his hand tattoo was crudely photoshopped out. This was a deliberate decision by the editors at NRK. Stian's photograph without fraudulent manipulation:

https://www.ifinnmark.no/familien-til-t ... 81-1933727

This one example is concise and easy to explain and understand, but it is one of the least blatant and lie-filled pieces of coverage of the Ukrainian civil war (which started after the US-backed putsch in 2014) in "Western" media.

Unfortunately, the effects of this media disinformation on mentally unstable individuals is having tragic consequences:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ridiculous

[mca80]

@Capercaillie excellent info, thanks for posting that. In response, yes it is sad some folks fall victim to govt propaganda. But it is now becoming very dangerous. Not so sure about EU but in USA you have people considered "liberal" who have been given a wide platform to say that anyone who isn't on their side is an ok target to kill. That's pretty dangerous imo and I have no desire to be cordial or civil to any such people--at this point. I did prrviously. Not any longer.

[telerat]

I think you are confusing Ukraine and Russia:

The degradation of Ukraine's society post-2014 US sponsored coup is extreme to the point of absurdity: this summer, neo-Nazi Svoboda party former MP from Lviv Iryna Farion was assassinated by a NS/WP neo-Nazi from Dnipro.

As far as Americans visiting foreign countries:
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/us-jo ... ed-family/

The truth is that more Ukrainian refugees chose to go to Russia than any other country. There are currently more than 1.2 million Ukrainian refugees in Russia.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/131 ... y-country/

As a Norwegian, it is not surprising that you have become a victim of media disinformation. A very good example of this is the NRK (Norwegian state media) coverage of the death of Norwegian white supremacist Stian Alexander Nordhaug Meland in Ukraine:

https://www.nrk.no/tromsogfinnmark/nord ... 1.16676569

What is remarkable is the photograph of Stian used by NRK. His chest patch has been blurred, and his hand tattoo was crudely photoshopped out. This was a deliberate decision by the editors at NRK. Stian's photograph without fraudulent manipulation:

This one example is concise and easy to explain and understand, but it is one of the least blatant and lie-filled pieces of coverage of the Ukrainian civil war (which started after the US-backed putsch in 2014) in "Western" media.

Unfortunately, the effects of this media disinformation on mentally unstable individuals is having tragic consequences:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ridiculous

I am not confusing Ukraine and Russia.

There are Nazi sympathizers on both sides, just check out Dmitry Utkin, the co-founder of Wagner with his SS-tattoos, as well as others from Russia. The West is holding Ukraine to higher standard, so they seem to be cleaning up much dirt. Unlike Russia, which claims that Ukraine is not a genuine country and that they should rule it. That is a fascist view.

All regions of Ukraine, even including Crimea with slight majority, voted for independence in 1991:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukra ... referendum

I have no problems understanding Ukrainians dislike/hatred for the Russians now. Stealing and killing your friends and relatives tend to have that effect. You can not force anybody to be your friend and Ukrainians are not willing to give up their freedom. It is not surprising that people with a Russian heritage and language chose to flee to Russia when the war broke out.

There has been free elections in Ukraine after the 2014 Euromaidan and they seems to be on a path be free, unlike the Russians where opposition is either eliminated, imprisoned or prevented from running.

Gonzalo Lira was supporting Russia's invasion, and his death "became the subject of conspiracy theories":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira

The picture of Stian used by NRK is clearly stated to be manipulated in the description. The western media is publicizing when Ukraine does wrong, unlike the Russian media where no criticism is allowed. Here, anyone including you, can criticize the government and media, but don't expect people to agree with you. And wow, complaining about Norwegian media and then linking to wsws.org and dailytelegraph.co.nz

I must say that I have problems understanding how someone from a democratic country can support Russia in it's war against Ukraine, as well as parroting Russian taking points.

The development in media and social environment in US is terrifying. When both sides are dehumanizing the other side you will get assassinations and attempts as you say. US have had problems with individuals believing that the government are after or suppressing them for a long time.

[Lhartley]

I don't really see anybody "supporting Russia". Sounds like a discussion of the nuances of a very polarized and disputed proxy war. Of course people are going to see it differently. We are living in an age of massive amounts of information, which means massive amounts of propaganda. In Canada we are sending billions and billions to Ukraine, so don't be telling us we are supporting Russia. Our tax dollars are going towards Ukraine, and ending up God knows where so excuse people for being slightly skeptical as western economies freefall into debt while Zelensky jets around the world with his hands out

[blitzskier]

In Canada we are sending billions and billions to Ukraine, so don't be telling us we are supporting Russia. Our tax dollars are going towards Ukraine, and ending up God knows where so excuse people for being slightly skeptical as western economies freefall into debt while Zelensky jets around the world with his hands out

lots of that money is being stolen from Ukraine and syphoned over to mercenary groups developing plans for secret wars around the globe that won't be televised or heard of... canadian funds could be heading over to Haiti to arm millitary trained rebels to fight off a communist trained rebel forces. all 3rd world countries are being destroyed, and the 1st world has to take them in..

1st world is getting spoiled lazy and fat . not to mention your children are getting uglier every generation. the swiss bankers who own us want results for they're investement

[blitzskier]

this little play should be shown to all Americans graduating school, so they know who they work for.

[telerat]

I don't really see anybody "supporting Russian". Sounds like a discussion of the nuances of a very polarized and disputed proxy war. Of course people are going to see it differently. We are living in an age of massive amounts of information, which means massive amounts of propaganda. In Canada we are sending billions and billions to Ukraine, so don't be telling us we are supporting Russia. Our tax dollars are going towards Ukraine, and ending up God knows where so excuse people for being slightly skeptical as western economies freefall into debt while Zelensky jets around the world with his hands out

I am fine with people not wanting to send pay for arms or send money to Ukraine. Most of the money going to weapons end up in the weapon industries in the west, as well as those working there. It is healthy to question if our money that goes to Ukraine is used efficiently and does not end up in the pockets of corrupt officials. It seems Ukraine has taken that seriously, and is surging on the corruption index after the war started, while Russia is falling:
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

I do think we should support the democratic countries that we can, as the world seems to be heading the wrong way now, but spending is something everyone should have their own opinion on. One can want avoid public debt/reduce public spending or want to spend it on other causes, but then one should argue for that. It is the spreading of Russian disinformation to reduce support for Ukraine I am after and calling out as supporting Russia.

It can be called a proxy war, but we are not supporting one side in a civil war with Russia supporting the other; this is a full blown invasion where Russia tried to take over the whole country and failed. I mean it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide what they think is an acceptable result, but the more we support them, the better position they are in when/if there are negotiations. Russia unfortunately does not seem to want peace and still think it can "win", but there are only losers.

Most of Norwegians supported the fight against German occupation during WW2 because we wanted our freedom and many lost their lives, but they are remembered and celebrated. Some cooperated with the occupiers for different reasons, and got varying degrees of justice after the war.